Southeast and Seacoast Information
Real estate
Generally speaking we found the real estate in the southeast part of
New Hampshire to be way too expensive to suit us. Some towns are
somewhat less expensive than others but Salem was particularly expensive
and even the more 'country' feeling areas around Salem (Pelham, etc.)
were very expensive. Here's a couple examples of what we found:
Homes:
Pelham - $370,000 (or
maybe $390,000), 3 bed / 2 1/2 bath, unknown address. We drove by
a nice, fairly new colonial on what appeared to be an acre or two of
land listed for sale. There was no literature but we called the
realtor and determined the listing price may have been $370,000 (could
have been $390,000, I don't recall) for a 3 bedroom 2 1/2 bath
home. It was in the country on a small two lane road not near
anything in particular.
Salem - $559,000 to
$799,000, large houses on Hall Ave. There were two homes on this
street. The first was a very nice home that I would call upper
middle class but is probably really upper class. It's a 10 room, 4
bedroom, 2 1/2 bath home with about 3400 sq. ft. on 1 1/2 acres in a
development with comparable homes. It has a 3 car garage and is
within a couple of miles of I-93. It's listed at $559,000.
The second was an even larger home that looked more upper class to
me. It has almost 4,000 sq. ft. plus 1,250 sq. ft of lower level
living space with 12 rooms, 4 bedrooms and 3 1/2 baths. It was
listed at $799,000.
There was another home we got information for much closer to the
seacoast that was also in the mid $300,000 range which was much smaller
and not as nice as those listed above. We didn't look at other
properties because we couldn't find any worth looking at in our price
range. The whole area is very expensive. We did, however,
spend some time at Eric Knight's house which is (or at least was) for
sale. I believe he is asking $275,000 for it in Derry and it is a
3 bedroom on a nice lot. I don't recall the exact square footage
but I'd guess somewhere around 1800 or so. My guess is that is a
reasonably good deal for that kind of house in that area but it is too
small for us. We didn't do any real estate shopping in the
Portsmouth and surrounding areas.
Commerce and Restaurants
Some parts of the southeast part of New Hampshire feature the best
shopping and eating in the whole state. A particular standout in
this regard is Salem. Right on the MA border on I-93, it has all
the big chain stores (even a CompUSA) as well as a mall (or I think two)
with more upper class shopping (I think the anchor was a Macy's as I
recall). It reminded me a lot of home as far as the variety of
things available, though the size of the town is far less than the 1/2
million or so in Fresno.
Outside of Salem, the variety of shopping and commerce seems to be
about on par with the rest of the smaller towns in the state. A
short drive to Salem or Nashua will provide all you would need.
Because we didn't spend a lot of time driving around this part of the
state, I don't have a whole lot to report here.
I suspect Portsmouth would have most everything a person would need but
we only drove through briefly so we didn't get any information about it.
Churches
We drove by several churches in Southeast New Hampshire and went in and
visited one. We stopped in at Granite State Baptist Church in
Salem and took a tour. One of the pastors was kind enough to take
some time and show us the facilities and tell us some things about the
church. They have a nice and well used (in a good way) facility
there which also serves as a school. The main sanctuary seats a
couple hundred or so and they have three services. Based on the
variety of instruments on stage, I presume they offer a mix or more
contemporary style of worship. They have a moms play group that
meets several days per week, numerous classrooms (used by the school
during the week), a gym, and (of course) some office space. The
people we talked to there were extremely nice and helpful. They
hadn't heard of the Free State Project, so I took the liberty of filling
them in ;)
We also drove by a few churches in the seacoast / east central
area. We drove by Dover Baptist church. It looked to be a
medium sized church building (by New Hampshire standards) near the
downtown area. We also drove by Durham EVFree Church though we
didn't see it well because it was getting dark. They have a MOPS
(Mothers of Preschoolers) group and the building looked new and was 'in
the country'.
Other
Drive times can be found on the
statewide page.
We were unable to do much timing of various drives since we did most of
this touring on one day and stopped many times. We did make it
from Manchester to Derry in, as I recall, 15 or 20 minutes, though we
didn't time that accurately.
We drove the entire New Hampshire coastline which didn't take us very
long at all. Most of the seacoast area was 'deserted' for the
winter. Many buildings were boarded up but it appeared as though
the place probably comes alive in the summertime. The drive was
pleasant (we stayed in the car) and some of the houses were downright
impressive. There were also many houses that needed work and I
wondered what the building restrictions were in that part of the state
(I suspect substantial).
Overall, I enjoyed the southeast part of the state, probably more than
the western part, however, real estate is extremely expensive and, as a
result, we didn't focus much effort there. It would be an easy
commute from many parts of southeast New Hampshire to the Boston metro
area for jobs. The drive times would vary based on where you are
and where you're going but generally wouldn't be much more than an hour
and a half even in rush hour (assuming good weather). We made it
from Nashua to the Logan airport in about 90 minutes on a weekday
morning with construction on 3 for most of the way.
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Lebanon area Information
Real estate
Real estate in the Lebanon area (including Hanover and Enfield) is
generally cheaper than the more populated southeast part of the state,
however Hanover itself is a little more expensive. I would
estimate the prices in Lebanon at comparable to Keene and in Enfield at
slightly less. While we were in the area we looked at land in
Enfield as well as houses in Enfield and Lebanon. Here's a
sampling:
Land:
Enfield - $37,900, 2.25 ac. on
Shaker Hill Road. This plot is near 4A on Shaker Hill Road.
The commute is easy to I-89 (10 minutes or so). The lot is wooded
and not exactly level, but not overly hilly.
Enfield - $39,900, 13.7 ac. on
4A. This plot is very near the above plot and is also an easy
commute to I-89 (about 10 minutes). This piece of land has ROW
access (it's currently a gravel driveway) off of 4A. The land is
heavily wooded and hilly.
Homes:
Enfield - $280,000, 4 bed / 3
1/2 bath / 8 room, on Fitzgerald Dr. This home is on a nice
street. It was built in 1989 and looks reasonably new. It
has a finished basement and is just a few minutes from 4A (near the
above land listings). It is listed for $280,000.
West Lebanon - $229,000, 6 bed /
2 1/2 bath / 11 room, on Dana St. This appears to be a two family
home but could probably be converted back to single family use
easily. It's in a very convenient location (right near the bridge
to Vermont) and is in a decent (though certainly not upscale by any
means) area with some houses and shopping. It has a detached
three-car garage (or so it appeared). It looks to be fairly large,
and was probably built in the early 1900's.
Commerce and Restaurants
One of the big advantages of the Lebanon area is the shopping
available. While Lebanon itself is lower in population than Keene,
the combination of Lebanon, Hanover, Enfield and the people on the
Vermont side of the river (as well as other surrounding communities)
gives it a larger commercial base than Keene. As a result, we saw
a couple of things there that we didn't find in Keene. Most
notable was a Best Buy, a discount-club warehouse type place (ala Sam's
Club / Costco / etc.), and a Denny's.
The Dartmouth area (Hanover) also features a nifty downtown area that
has a distinctive college feel to it. There is also a fantastic
medical facility in the area (the Dartmouth Hitchcock Medical
Center). There is a movie theater in Lebanon, though it looked
smallish like Keene's.
Specific shopping places we saw: Wal-Mart, JCPenny, Sears, Shaw's
(grocery store), Best Buy, Staples, Borders, Payless Shoes, and the UPS
store. In other words, with the addition of Best Buy (and the
warehouse place), Lebanon and Keene are nearly identical. There is
also the Powerhouse Mall (or maybe it was Powerhouse Mill Mall).
We didn't go in, but it appears to be similar to the Colony Mill
Marketplace in Keene, though maybe not as upscale.
Tmobile cellular service ends northeast of Concord on I-89 and does not
ever pick up again. There is no Tmobile service in the Lebanon
area, however we did see several stores offering cellular service there
so I presume some other carriers have service there. I do not know
if high speed Internet access is available but I assume it is.
Other
In many ways Lebanon reminded us of Keene, though a little more spread
out. The areas we looked at were really broken into 4 parts:
Lebanon, West Lebanon, Hanover, and Enfield. West Lebanon is
predominantly shopping oriented with all the new store near the Vermont
border (presumably to pick up business from Vermont's tax
evaders). Lebanon seems like a larger but fairly typical small
town in Western New Hampshire. Hanover is an upscale college town
and it shows. And finally Enfield is basically a big Shaker area
around a lake which is nice but country feeling. Of all the
country 'towns' we visited, it was one of the nicer ones. It also
has relatively easy access to I-89, and the Lebanon area (10-15 minutes
depending on where you're going).
Drive times are listed on the
statewide page.
We didn't experience any traffic or weather from Lebanon to Concord and
I tend to drive a little on the fast side so the time listed from
Lebanon to Manchester is less than from Keene to Concord, however, the
mileage is more. The road is all 4-lane or better which is an
advantage over Keene, but I don't know how that affects winter
driving. On one hand, 4-lanes would appear to be a benefit from
the 2-lane road from Keene to Manchester. On the other hand, the
mileage is more so unless there is a significant difference in speed, it
may well be quicker from Keene to Manchester. Also, for airport
service, Keene also offers the option of Hartford, CT and Lebanon also
offers the option of Burlington, VT. Both are accessible primarily
via interstate.
While driving around Lebanon, we noticed several help-wanted
signs. We didn't notice a lot of them in other areas of the
state. This led me to believe that there may be more jobs
available in the Lebanon area than elsewhere in the state. The
signs, however, were at establishments that may not pay stellar
wages. I didn't find out what the wage rates were, but if working
a job or two for low wages is an option, I would recommend further
investigating the Lebanon area.
While we were there the weather was absolutely beautiful (keep in mind,
this was in November). I understand, though, that the weather
generally is not as nice in the Lebanon area as it is further south in
the state, and particularly near the seacoast.
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Manchester Information
Real estate
Real estate in Manchester is generally a little cheaper than Nashua or
Salem. We were unable to find lower cost new construction (under
$300,000) so I don't have anything to report there. We did drive
around the central Manchester neighborhoods some and were pleasantly
surprised. We looked closely at the exterior of one house in
particular:
Homes:
Manchester - $265,000, 5 bed / 2
+ 1/2 + 3/4 bath / 2900 sq. ft, on Belmont St. This victorian home
is in a nice but old neighborhood. It estimate the age of the
homes at 100 - 150 years. The lots are small and as a result of
new setback regulations it's not possible to add anything to the homes
(i.e. a garage). This house did not come with a garage. It
looked nice and obviously had major updates along the way (windows and
siding were apparent externally).
Commerce and Restaurants
Though we didn't do much shopping in Manchester, there are plenty of
places to shop there. According to my research, there is at least
one of every major retail chain store there (i.e. Wal-mart, K-mart,
etc.). There is no CompUSA there (Nashua or Salem both have
CompUSA). There is at least one mall there that we saw. I
used to fly in there regularly and remember seeing several places to
shop. There are also lots of restaurants to eat at. In
addition to all the chains we found in other parts of the state, I
specifically remember seeing an Outback Steakhouse.
The Libertarian Party hosted their annual convention at the Highlander
Inn in Manchester. We went there to have dinner with some of the
FSP related attendees. Their facility is right by the Manchester
airport (more on that below) and appeared suitable for many types of
gathering occasions. The restaurant had good food though it was
stereotypically priced for a fancier convention hotel restaurant.
Other
Drive times can be found on the
statewide page.
The drive times for Manchester are of particular interest as the only
commercial airport in New Hampshire is located there. It is near
the intersection of 101/293 which is where most of our drive times were
taken from. The exit for the airport is one exit east of that
intersection and the airport is just a few minutes south of there.
That interchange is currently under construction so the drive times may
be slightly longer, but under normal circumstances it shouldn't take any
more than about five minutes to get from 101/293 to the airport.
The Manchester airport is one of the bright spots of the state.
It has excellent air service for a town of its size. Many people
in the northern Boston area use it instead of Logan because the prices
are lower and it's more convenient. I used to fly in there
regularly and we were always full. I did a comprehensive air
service report previously for each of the FSP candidate states, but
since some time has passed I'll include below the updated information
for Manchester. Below is a table that includes each city with
non-stop air service along with the airlines serving them, the number of
flights, and the type of equipment.
City
|
# of flights
|
Airline
|
Equipment
|
Albany
|
2
|
Continental Express/Connection
|
19-seat Turboprop
|
Atlanta
|
3
|
Delta (2), Delta Connection (1)
|
Mainline Jet (2), RJ (1)
|
| Baltimore |
11
|
Southwest
|
Mainline Jet
|
Bangor
|
1
|
Ensor Air Ltd. (PanAm Connection)
|
19-seat Turboprop
|
Charlotte
|
3
|
USAirways
|
Mainline Jet
|
Chicago Midway
|
2
|
Southwest
|
Mainline Jet
|
Chicago O'Hare
|
5
|
United (4), United Express (1)
|
Mainline Jet (4), RJ (1)
|
Cincinnati
|
4
|
Delta (2), Delta Connection (2)
|
Mainline Jet (2), RJ (2)
|
Cleveland
|
4
|
Continental Express
|
RJ
|
Detroit
|
4
|
Northwest
|
Mainline Jet
|
Halifax
|
1
|
Ensor Air Ltd. (PanAm Connection)
|
19-seat Turboprop
|
Kansas City
|
1
|
Southwest
|
Mainline Jet
|
Las Vegas
|
1
|
Southwest
|
Mainline Jet
|
Minneapolis
|
2
|
Northwest (1), Northwest Airlink
(1)
|
Mainline Jet (1), RJ (1)
|
Nashville
|
2
|
Southwest
|
Mainline Jet
|
New London, CT
|
1
|
Ensor Air Ltd. (PanAm Connection)
|
19-seat Turboprop
|
New York La Guardia
|
11
|
USAirways Express (8), Delta
Connection (3)
|
30-seat Turboprop (8), RJ (3)
|
Newark
|
4
|
Continental (1), Continental
Express (3)
|
Mainline Jet (1), RJ (3)
|
Orlando
|
3
|
Southwest
|
Mainline Jet
|
Philadelphia
|
5
|
USAirways (4), USAirways Express
(1)
|
Mainline Jet (4), RJ (1)
|
Pittsburgh
|
3
|
USAirways (2), USAirways Express
(1)
|
Mainline Jet (2), RJ (1)
|
Tampa
|
2
|
Southwest
|
Mainline Jet
|
Toronto
|
4
|
Air Canada - regional partner(s)
|
19-seat Turboprop (3), 30-seat
Turboprop (1)
|
Washington Dulles
|
4
|
United Express
|
RJ
|
Washington National
|
3
|
USAirways Express
|
RJ (2), 30-seat Turboprop (1)
|
In addition to the above, there are a handful of non-stop flights that
do not operate at least 5 days per week (i.e. Pan Am to Portsmouth and
Sanford). 25 destinations are served, 21 of which have at least
30-seat Turboprop service. There are 6 US Major airlines with
service to Manchester, plus Air Canada's regional partner, Pan Am, and
Pan Am Connection (note: this is Pan Am #3, not to be confused with Pan
Am #1 or Pan Am #2).
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Trip Report: New Hampshire
November 1 - 12, 2003
Written by: Varrin Swearingen
Experiences by: Varrin, Edi, Edison, and Erin Swearingen
Contents
Contents - This table of contents
Introduction - Introduction section
which includes these topics
Chronology - The chronological report of
events
Location detail pages - details for each location listed below
- Statewide
- info that applies to the whole state or areas not covered below
- Southeast
- includes seacoast - from east of Nashua along the border to the coast
to Portsmouth and back towards Manchester.
- Nashua
- includes Hudson
- Manchester
- just the Manchester and immediately surrounding area
- Western
- Does not include Keene or Lebanon
but the other towns west of I-93 and I-89. Does include Concord and Tilton
- Keene
- just the city of Keene
- Lebanon
- includes West Lebanon, Hanover, and Enfield
Introduction
Purpose
I am writing this report with the hope that it will help others out who
are exploring a move to New Hampshire. It is a detailed account of
our trip there in early November, 2003. On that trip we learned
more than we could have possibly learned without a report like
this. As far as I am aware, nobody has yet written this detailed
of a report about their New Hampshire exploration. We would have
found this useful and it is my hope that you will too.
Background
In order to better understand the perspective of this report, I'll
relay some important background information about myself and my
family. Edi (my wife) and I were both born in 1974 and at the
moment we have two children, a son, Edison, born in 2001 and a daughter,
Erin, born in 2002. We would consider ourselves Christian and
regularly attend church, however we are not particularly closely tied to
any specific denomination. We normally find ourselves most
comfortable in Baptist, Evangelical Free or non-denominational
churches. Our circle of family and close friends includes
protestant Christians, Catholics, Orthodox, Muslims, and a variety of
'other' religious backgrounds.
I work as an airline pilot for World Airways. I also play the
drums and percussion professionally part time (mostly jazz and Latin
jazz) and enjoy working with computers (we use Linux in our
house). Edi is a homeschooling mother, currently serves as the
coordinator for two MOPS (Mothers Of PreSchoolers) groups, and is a Mary
Kay Independent Beauty Consultant. Edi also sings, most recently
with the Choir at our church and two different opera companies in
Fresno.
I was born in Hayward, California and moved to Fresno at age 3.
Edi was born in Maryland and moved to the San Francisco Bay Area in
grade school and to Fresno in High School. We met in High School
and were married in 1993 at age 19. We moved to Florida (I had
actually moved there a year earlier to go to flight school) and lived
there between 1992 and 1996. We moved to the Cincinnati, Ohio area
(we actually lived in Northern Kentucky) in 1996 and lived there through
mid-1999. We moved back to Fresno, California in 1999 after
deliberating much like we are now as to where to relocate to. Edi
and I have both lived in several different states. She has visited
many of the states and I have visited almost all of them (45 of the
50). We have been to Canada, Mexico and the Bahamas together, and
I have traveled to over 30 different countries around the world while
playing music and flying for a living.
Our personal living preferences lean towards newer suburban living with
creature comforts (shopping, etc.) relatively nearby. We gravitate
towards larger more utilitarian housing and don't necessarily prefer to
have a lot of land (we prefer indoor square footage to land). I
enjoy the outdoors (I like to backpack) but, honestly, we spend most of
our time inside. Edi enjoys movies (much more than I do) and we
both enjoy live music and eating out. As a result of having kids,
much of our free time activities lately revolves around them. When
they're asleep, we enjoy playing games (I enjoy online gaming
occasionally but we both enjoy board games), cards, and good
conversation.
We first heard of the Free State Project in mid-2002. At the time
I first visited the website, there were 400 or so people signed
up. After researching and discussing the project, Edi and I
decided to join. By the time we signed up, the project had grown
to over 1600 members. We opted out of 7 states including New
Hampshire. Some time before the vote, we decided that we would at
least go look at the winning state. The vote results were
announced October 1 and we began our visit to New Hampshire on November
1. The information in this report is one of the results of that
visit.
Organization
Because of the complexity of providing this information in a most
usable format, I will organize it in two ways: First,
chronologically on this page as an overview, and Second, by geographic
area. Providing a third level of organization (topical, for
example) is more than I have time to do right now. If you want to
know about real estate (for example), you'll have to search for that by
location. I'll use the same topical format on each area page to
make finding the information topically easier. Some information
will be statewide and will be included in the
statewide
information page.
Each detail page will contain all the details we discovered about each
location. They will not include details about 'events' unless
those events were associated with characteristics of the area. An
example of details that would not
be included would be details about dinner conversation with various FSP
people or the details about my son's finger injury. Those details
(if included at all) will only be on the chronology page below.
Examples of details that would
be included would be details about the places we ate at with the FSP
people or the emergency room experience as a result of my son's finger
injury. Some pages will be dramatically more detailed than others,
since we learned more and/or spent more time in some places than
others. Generally speaking, I'll include all the detail I
have. If you have questions, please feel free to ask, but I
probably don't have any more detail than you can find here.
The detail pages will have the following headings (assuming information
is available):
- Real estate - information about land, new homes, and pre-owned
homes
- Commerce and Restaurants - information about stores, restaurants,
and other places of business
- Churches - information about churches
- Events - information about or related to events
- Other - other information that doesn't fit the above (look and
feel, etc.)
Conspicuously missing is climate and job information. On the
chronology page I'll include weather
information about our trip, but because our trip isn't necessarily
representative, I'd urge you to do your own climate research. With
few exceptions (Lebanon, for example), I don't have any job information,
and in those cases that I do, it's very general. I am not looking
for a job so I didn't do any research about the job market at all.
Chronology
Saturday, November 1 - location details here: Statewide, Nashua
We flew America West from Fresno through Phoenix to Boston. We
arrived in Boston around 11:00 p.m. We rented a Chevy Venture
minivan from Alamo. The rate was reasonable and we liked the
van. I have now driven all of the 'big-3' minivans (Ford, GM, and
Chrysler). This was the best of those I've driven yet. I
still prefer the Honda to all 3 of them.
We drove from the Boston airport to our hotel in Nashua. The
drive took roughly an hour. We didn't time it exactly. There
was construction on a bridge on 3 south of Nashua which required us to
exit and re-enter the highway. The weather was cool but not
terribly cold. Upon arrival in Nashua we found a 24 hour McDonalds
drive through and a 7-11 to get supplies for the evening and morning.
We checked into our hotel around 12:30 a.m. that night. We stayed
at the Extended Stay America hotel in Nashua. That location turned
out to be perfect for our entire trip. The hotel is in a business
area right off exit #8 (101A bypass) which is near the north end of
Nashua. We could not find a better rate for a newer chain hotel
with 'kitchen' facilities, hence our choice. We booked a Queen
room because that's the best room the website showed. Upon arrival
we discovered that the room was a little bit too small for us.
There is no couch, just a recliner. The kitchen facility is small
but functional. We all went to bed knowing we had all had a long
day and needed to get up the next morning for church.
We got up in the morning and got ourselves ready to go to church.
We attended Grace Fellowship Church in Nashua. We went to the
Burger King drive through, Market Basket (for 'supplies') and then
returned to the hotel. When we began to do our paperwork we found
out that there were King rooms available. We switched rooms which
gave us a bigger room with a bigger bed. That wound up being just
what we needed for the rest of the trip. We all napped, then got
up and headed to Manchester for dinner.
We had been emailing with several people who were going to be in NH
while we were there. We had Alan Weiss's cell phone number so we
coordinated what ultimately turned into dinner with Alan and some
others. We drove up to the Highlander Inn near the Manchester
airport. We met with Alan, Amanda Phillips, Tony Lekas and another
gentleman whose name I didn't catch enough to remember (pleeeease
forgive me... and because of the seating arrangement I didn't get a
chance to talk much with him - rats.). I sat between Tony and
Edison and across from Edi and Alan. The dinner conversation
covered all kinds of topics. Probably my most important
observation is that, though email is a spectacular tool for meeting
people and coordinating activities, there's no substitute for meeting in
person. I really enjoyed the dinner and feel as though I've made
some friends that would be great to live near.
Among other things, we talked quite a bit about education. Amanda
mentioned the Sudbury Valley School which struck a chord with me.
Tony is a homeschooler so we had plenty to talk about with respect to
the practicalities of homeschooling in New Hampshire. It sounds to
me from our conversations that New Hampshire does not have the best
homeschooling environment in the nation (compared to, say, Idaho), but
it's good enough to get started and, of course, we can improve it (I
believe easily).
At the end of the dinner we exchanged some contact information.
Tony invited us over to his place for dinner which. Unfortunately,
due to our ridiculous schedule we ultimately had to pass on that
generous offer. We headed out and drove back to Nashua and went to
bed.
We hadn't set up any meetings so we decided to use Monday to make phone
calls and then tour the southeast part of the state. We had also
contacted Kelton who was staying until Tuesday. We did have a
Monday evening meeting set up with Eric Knight in East Derry and Kelton
also wanted to meet Eric. Ultimately we devised a plan where we
would meet up with Kelton in the evening, go to Eric's, and visit for a
while. Since Kelton was going west that day we didn't attempt to
spend more of the day together.
We left late morning and headed on a church drive-by trip that would
ultimately take us on a substantial driving trip through much of the
southeast part of the state. We headed east from Nashua first to
Pelham, then Salem, then to the coast, up 1A from the MA border to the
ME border, up to Dover, then Durham, then back to Manchester for
dinner. After dinner we went down to Derry to visit Eric. As
you can see we covered a lot of ground.
Among the things we did while we drove: looked at a church in Pelham,
looked at a church in Salem, got some info about a house in South
Seabrook, drove the entire NH coastline (save a few feet between 286 and
the MA border), drove around New Castle, drove into Maine, drove by a
church in Dover, drove by a church in Durham, took 101 back to
Manchester. Details about all that are on the respective detail
pages.
We ate dinner at McDonalds near the airport in Manchester and at the
end of dinner Kelton showed up. He grabbed a bite and we headed to
Eric's house in Derry. We were a little bit late for our 7:00
appointment. Kelton had gone all the way to Keene and back and we
had gone all the way to Portsmouth and back (with plenty of stops along
the way), so we were simply running late after packed full days.
We arrived at Eric's around 7:30. Unfortunately it was dark while
we drove through Derry.
We spent, if I recall correctly, a little over an hour at Eric's house
and visited with Eric and his family. He told us some things about
the Derry and Londonderry area as well as some general NH things which
were helpful. We also got a tour of his house which, if things
went on schedule, he has likely now moved out of. Among other
things, we discussed towns, zoning, property taxes, and education with
Eric. We headed out sometime shortly before 9:00 p.m. Kelton
had an early flight home the next day so he went his way and we went
back to the hotel in Nashua.
Tuesday, November 4 - location details here: Statewide, Nashua, Western
Some of the days flow together but I believe we started Tuesday out
with Denny's for breakfast in Nashua. We spent a lot of time that
morning figuring out where we wanted to go and made some more phone
calls. We didn't get on the road until 2:30 p.m. We had
planned out a road trip for that day to look at land. Most of the
day was simply spent driving. By that time we had set up a
Wednesday appointment to tour a manufactured home factory and wanted to
have some insight on land prices and locations.
We drove north from Nashua, through Manchester, through Concord up to
Tilton. We had seen some lower price land listings in Franklin
which appeared to be closer to I-93 than some other less expensive
places. Franklin, however, was not a very attractive town.
We looked at a couple of pieces of land and then drove south on U.S. 3
back to Concord, checking out the towns along the way.
Tilton was a nicer looking town, though small, and had some important
stores (Wal-Mart, for example). Franklin (as I mentioned above)
wasn't so attractive. Going south from Franklin, we saw Boscawen
(or some of it anyway), then parts of Concord, some of which were
nicer. We took 202 west from Concord through Hopkinton to
Henniker. Hopkinton was very nice looking to me. For some
reason, Henniker just seemed small and isolated to me. From there
we went south on 114 to Weare. Weare was what I might call
'average'. Decent town, not much there though. From there,
we went through Goffstown to Manchester. Goffstown was larger and
had a few more 'things' there as I recall. By the time we got to
Henniker, it was dark, so we didn't have a great look at Weare or
Goffstown.
Wednesday, November 5 - location details here: Statewide, Nashua, Western
We set up a meeting with Bob Lebel of RML General Contractor who builds
Epoch manufactured homes. Our meeting was to take a tour of the
Epoch factory in Pembroke, near Concord. The previous day we had
ruled out Franklin as a town to live in so we decided to investigate
another area that has low land cost: Hillsborough. Details of our
findings are on the 'Western' page. After touring Hillsborough, we
returned to Pembroke for our meeting. The tour went well.
The factory looked like a suitable place to build manufactured homes and
it appears to me (I'm no expert) that they build great homes
there. We also toured their model. Their model was set up
with lots of fancy upgrades in the downstairs to showcase what they can
do and basic trip for part of the upstairs to show what a base house
looks like. Both looked great, though some of the nice touches in
the kitchen and dining room were really nice.
After we finished our tour, we headed back to the hotel. That
evening, after doing some research, we decided to tour a couple of more
expensive lots in the Nashua and Hudson areas. Because of the land
prices and locations, we figured it would be worth taking a look just to
see if it would somehow be 'worth it' to pay more money and be closer to
a bigger city. We looked at several lots and called it a day.
Just as an aside, pretty much every day (or, more accurately, night),
we spent a considerable amount of time researching our next moves based
on what we found during the day. That meant pretty much a short
night of sleep every night. I was typically up until at least
midnight or 1:00 a.m. every night and we were out of bed by roughly 8:00
a.m. every morning (sometimes a little earlier). With all the
driving, looking, thinking, eating, diapering, talking, meeting, and so
on, it was a pretty tiring trip. But it was well worth the time
and money. There's no way we could have learned everything we did
just over the Internet or looking at pictures from a real estate
agent. Now, on with the show!
Thursday, November 6 - location details here: Statewide, Nashua, Western
Thursday brought us 'more of the same'. Having seen a couple of
lots in Nashua, we decided to look both at lots and at houses in Nashua
as well as a few in the surrounding area. After a 'relaxing' (read
me doing research while we all get ready) morning, we headed west
towards Wilton and Milford. We looked at a piece of land there and
then a couple more in Nashua.
When it got to be nap time, I took the family back to the hotel for a
nap and then went to visit another builder. I went to the Value
Homes. Value Homes is a builder for Excel modular homes of
PA. Their model was nice and I was able to get more specific
pricing information than I was from RML/Epoch. It appears to me
that Excel and Epoch are fairly direct competitors. I haven't
examined the spec sheets to the finest detail, but it appears both are
very nice, well built homes which rival or exceed the quality you'd get
in a site built house.
I returned to the hotel, picked up the family and we toured a little
bit more, this time heading over towards Hudson. I don't recall
now where we ate, but it may have been Denny's again. Throughout
the course of the week we ate at Denny's probably 3 times, Pizza Hut
once, a local pizza place once (Papa Gino's, I think it was called), and
several fast food establishments. Overall, we were happy with the
food.
Friday we got a late start on our day. We decided to go back up
to Tilton to look around in a little more detail. There were a
couple of lots for sale that were less than what was available in Hudson
or Nashua. Nearby is Wal-Mart and the outlet mall and Concord is
just 20 minutes away. Tilton is right off I-93 and is at the
'base' of the lakes region. We looked at some lots there and then
headed back towards Nashua.
We did make an addional quick trip up to Manchester later in the day to
look at a house in town there. We drove around the neighborhoods
in the center of town and found them very pleasant, though older.
In the evening on the 7th, I started working on putting together our
trip for the next day. We decided to go to Keene for a tour and a
visit with a friend.
Saturday, November 8 - location details here: Statewide, Nashua, Keene
We got a late start (I don't recall why now, other than doing more
research) and were under way to Keene in the early afternoon. We
went by way of Manchester so that we could time the Manchester - Keene
drive. That added about 15 minutes to the trip which was almost 1
1/2 hours (including the detour). On the way, I spoke with our
friend (amidst losing cell service off and on). I got some church
information from him and we looked as we drove by at the church we wound
up going to the next day (Monadnock Congregational Church). When
we arrived in Keene, we got right into looking at land and homes.
We had mapped out about a half dozen places to look and drove fairly
quickly around town checking them out (with a stop at the UPS store
downtown along the way). Keene has much more to offer than Tilton
(details in the Keene page) and the property prices are a little lower,
I presume because of the 'perceived' distance from the metro
areas. There are several brand new stores in Keene and they're
building more by the minute. The Borders is brand new and the
Wal-Mart opened within the last year.
After we had toured the town, we arranged to meet our friend at Uno's
(yes, there's an Uno's in Keene). We enjoyed a great dinner there
together and he was able to tell us a few more things about the town and
we talked about several other things. Among them were the Acton
Institute, Keene State College, Economics, the relationship between
liberty and Christianity, and churches. After a great dinner we
headed back to Nashua. On the way back we were able to observe a
full eclipse of the moon. We were right on the outside of the area
where it was actually totally eclipsed but it went from totally full to
totally eclipsed in such a way that it was just a tiny sliver of 'halo'
around the bottom part of the moon. The kids particularly enjoyed
the eclipse.
This brings to mined one important facet of our trip: weather.
The first several days it was rainy and cloudy. By late in the
week it had cleared up and was a little bit cooler (lows in the 30's
v.s. 40's). That particular night it was crystal clear. It
stayed clear until the day before we left when it started raining again.
Sunday, we went to Monadnock Congregational Church in
Peterborough. We arrived around 10:00 a.m. for their 'coffee' time
and then attended the 10:30 service. Details about the church are
on the 'Western' page. On Saturday, I had observed a sign at the
Colony Mill Marketplace indicating that Sunday, the 9th, was going to be
the Taste of Keene event. I assume that event happens annually so
I'll include the details about the event in the Keene section. We
enjoyed our lunch and shopping time there. The Colony Mill
Marketplace is a nice mall and the feel of the event reminded us of a
smaller, indoor version of the Taste of Cincinnati. We were
particularly pleased with our experience that day. The food was
outstanding, the atmosphere was wonderful and the people were friendly.
After the Taste, we headed back to Nashua to do some more research and
get another big night of sleep.
Monday, November 10 - location details here: Statewide, Nashua, Lebanon
We planned our Monday around the idea that we would do our last big
'tour' and save Tuesday for any last minute visits we needed to do
and/or just relaxation. That turned out to be a good plan since we
had a little accident on Monday night. We put together a list of
properties in and near Lebanon and hit the road in the morning.
After a stop for breakfast (Denny's again), we got a late morning start
up I-93. It took just over an hour from Manchester to
Lebanon. We decided to drive beyond Lebanon (across the river) to
Vermont since Edi had never been there before. We came back into
Lebanon (what they call West Lebanon) and drove around the 'commercial'
area. Lebanon has pretty much everything Keene has plus a Denny's
and a Best Buy. The town itself probably isn't quite as nice, but
it's not bad. We went up to Hanover which is much nicer (and much
more expensive) and is home to Dartmouth.
We looked at a couple of houses in Lebanon and West Lebanon and went to
Enfield to look at both houses and land. Enfield is about 15
minutes from the shopping (depending on where you are in Enfield) and
land prices there are very reasonable. It's primarily a Shaker
community. Details about the land and area are included with the
Lebanon section. We had attempted to make some phone calls on the
way to Lebanon but discovered that T-Mobile's service ends shortly after
leaving Concord on I-89 and doesn't pick up again... ever.
After we finished our Lebanon and area tour we headed back to
Nashua. The drive was easy and quick. We went briefly to the
hotel and then went out to dinner at Bickfords. This was our
second trip to Bickfords and though the food was generally decent, both
times what we got wasn't exactly what we expected. I guess they
just do things a little differently there than we anticipated.
After dinner we headed back to the hotel.
When we arrived at the hotel we had an unfortunate accident. As
Edi and Edison were getting out of the car, Edison got his finger (the
middle one on his right hand) caught in the car door as Edi was closing
it. He apparently reached in quickly at the last second, probably
not realizing the door was closing. Fortunately, only the tip of
his finger was caught in the door. Unfortunately, the small area
of his finger tip that was injured was injured very badly. We
quickly went in, got paper towels from the very helpful and nice lady at
the desk and I got directions to the Emergency Room. We got back
in the car and rushed to the ER at St. Joseph Hospital in Nashua.
I took Edison in while Edi parked and got Erin out. Because he was
screaming and there was blood all over his hand (and mine), the staff
figured out there was a pretty serious problem. After a very brief
wait (it seemed like 10 minutes so it must have only been one or two),
we were taken in to a room. I'll spare all of the details of the
care, but we're extremely pleased with the quality of the care we
got. They re-wrapped his injury after a doctor examined it.
They gave him some Tylenol with Codine, took and x-ray, determined that
the bone at the tip of his finger was broken (and the nail was missing),
and ultimately came and gave him four stitches.
Edison had calmed down substantially prior to the local, but that made
him very unhappy again. Then, a few minutes later, the doctor and
a nurse came back to stitch up his fingertip (what was left of it, which
I think was most of it). Edison was a trooper but he screamed
quite a bit throughout that procedure. I'm not 100% sure the local
completely numbed the pain, though I'm confident the Tylenol/Codine was
helping substantially by that time. They wrapped it up with tube
gauze, gave us some instructions and we headed out. I think we
were there something like 3 1/2 hours. The whole time, Erin was as
well behaved as I've ever seen her. It was obvious she knew
something was wrong and she did just exactly what we told her the whole
time. That was particularly amazing considering we didn't get out
of there until after 11:00 p.m.
Having gone through that experience, we knew we would want to just take
the next day off.
Tuesday, November 11 - location details here: Statewide, Nashua
We slept later on Tuesday than we did any other day of the trip, mainly
because Edison wasn't interested in getting up before 8 a.m. as he had
been every other morning. He was obviously feeling substantially
better but was very tired and occasionally still in a little bit of pain
(we'd have to ask him about it to find that out though). We mostly
slept, did research, and got ready to go home the next day. We
took advantage of kids-eat-free-night at Denny's and called it a day.
Wednesday, November 12 - location details here: Statewide, Nashua
We got up early Wednesday and checked out of the hotel. There's
lots of construction on 3 between Nashua and I-95. As a result,
the drive time from the hotel to the Boston airport was about an hour
and a half instead of the hour we planned. Fortunately we had left
enough time to make our flight. We returned our rental car (loved
it) and headed to the America West ticket counter. We discovered
upon check in that there would be a tech stop for fuel on the way back
in Denver. That caused us to miss our connection in Phoenix, but
they were able to accommodate us on a flight three hours later.
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Keene Information
Real estate
Land and homes in Keene are generally cheaper than in the larger cities
(along 3 and I-93). The town is mostly nice with a less nice area
north and northeast of downtown.
Land:
Keene - $46,900, .94ac on Base
Hill Road. This lot is near highway 9 and is just two or three
minutes to all of the new shopping (Wal-Mart, Borders, etc.). It
would probably not be as good for a family as it's on a busier
road. It's wooded and slopes up from the road. There are
newer colonial style houses on each side of it.
Keene - $55,000, 5.97 ac on
Darling Road. This lot is in a development that spans Darling
road. We didn't actually locate the lot but when driving around we
noticed an extraordinary number of homes listed for sale on that
road. The development has very nice homes and larger lots. I
believe there's an association. I'm not sure why so many homes are
for sale there but the homes and development looks nice and upscale to
me.
Keene - $59,900, 5.17 ac on
Hurricane Road. We aren't sure we found this lot, though we think
we did (there wasn't a sign). It is down a road leaving town but
it is not a main highway. The lot (if it's the one we think it
was) slopes down from the road and would potentially have views of the
mountains in the background.
Homes:
Keene - $240,000 - $250,000,
Starlight drive (multiple homes). We looked on Starlight drive
which is a new housing development with primarily colonial style houses
on smaller lots. There were two for sale signs posted on homes
that were already built, one of which was a bi-level (split entry) and
one of which was a colonial (it indicated sale pending). There
were two MLS listings for, I believe, other houses for sale yet to be
built. The neighborhood is right across the street from Keene High
School. These prices are for a 4 bed / 2 1/2 bath colonial in the
2200-2400 sq. ft. range in that neighborhood.
Keene - $250,000, 4 bed / 2 bath
/ 2224 sq. ft on Meeting House Lane. This house is in a
development called Drummer Hill. The first phase of the
development (which you must drive through to get to this home) is
extremely cookie-cutterish. The houses in phase two are nicer,
newer, and less similar to each other. This house looked
attractive from the outside. It's still close to Downtown (maybe
5-8 minutes) but is up in 'the hills' a little bit.
Keene - $250,000 4 bed / 2 bath
/ 2000 sq. ft. on Gilsum Street. This is a 1900 Victorian style
house that appears to be very well kept. However, it is just
northeast of downtown and not in a very nice neighborhood. I
suspect in a nicer neighborhood it would be worth substantially more
money. The MLS indicates several attractive features and the
location, though not as nice, is convenient.
Overall real estate impressions:
It looks to me like Keene is a nicer but not upscale/snooty/fancy
town. It's seems nicer than many others with the exception of the
area northeast of downtown which is a little run down and not very
attractive to me. The pricing of real estate in Keene is
attractive especially considering the proximity to all the comforts of
home. There is no major airport nearby (Manchester is closest at
roughly 1:15 away), and there are just a few stores / conveniences
missing, but essentially there's everything you need right there in
town.
Commerce and Restaurants
Keene has most everything a person would need on a regular basis.
There is an area south of downtown that is being developed with many new
stores. There is a fairly new Wal-Mart, and a brand new shopping
center (still under construction) which has Home Depot, Borders, Pier 1,
and more stores coming (including a Target). There is also a
K-mart in town as well as Sears and JCPennys. The only notable
thing missing is a big electronics retailer like Best Buy or Circuit
City.
Keene also features a mall called the Colony Mill Marketplace. We
went there for the Taste of Keene (more on that below) and walked around
most of the mall. It isn't a large mall and doesn't have chain
stores. It's more of a boutique type mall which appears to be in
an old renovated industrial building (maybe the Colony Mill?). It
is in outstanding shape and is a pleasant place to shop and hang
out. I would guess there are 20 to 40 stores give or take in the
mall.
The downtown area of Keene is nice and quaint. At the center of
it is a 'circle' with shops all around and the city 'stuff' on the north
side of it (there's a little park in the middle). The streets
surrounding downtown (particularly Main St. to the south) are lined with
little shops and restaurants. It appears to be the kind of place
where someone with a bent for a small business could do well.
Here is a list of some stores (mainly chains) I recall seeing in
Keene: Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Staples (office supplies), Shaw's
(grocery), Home Depot, Borders, Sears, JCPennys, Pier 1 imports, Dollar
Tree (or some kind of dollar store), Payless Shoes, Midas Mufflers, The
UPS Store, A Movie Theater (didn't catch which variety - I think it was
6 or 8 screens), auto dealerships for the Big 3 plus several popular
imports, and Walgreens. Coming soon is a Bed Bath and Beyond (I
believe already under construction) and a Target (I don't think it's
under construction quite yet).
Keene features pretty much all of the fast food chain restaurants as
well as a handful of sit-down chains. There are also numerous
local eating establishments, some of which we were able to sample at the
taste of Keene (details below). There is no Denny's and I don't
believe any other nationwide 'generic' low end sit down restaurant (like
Bob Evans, Perkins, etc.) in Keene either. There is a Bickfords,
which is a New England sit down restaurant chain. I happened to
stumble upon Rynborn Restaurant as a result of the Taste of Keene.
They have live blues regularly. I saw a schedule while I was at
the taste and it appears as though they offer live music more than just
the standard Saturday / Sunday.
Here is a list of some restaurants I recall seeing: McDonalds,
Burger King, Wendy's, Pizza Hut, Taco Bell, KFC, Subway, Applebee's,
Bickfords, Pizzeria Uno.
Events
On Sunday, November 9th, we attended the Taste of Keene event at the
Colony Mill Marketplace. 18 local restaurants participated in the
event which went from 11 a.m. to 5 p.m. Each restaurant is given a
table to present their food which is offered in small portions.
Tokens are used to pay for the food. The tokens cost $.50 each and
portion prices were between 2 and 6 tokens ($1 to $3). Many
different kinds of food were available. We sampled 6 items for a
total of $16.00 (31 tokens for food plus one extra to take home with
us).
EF Lane Hotel / Salmon Chase American Bistro offered a Lobster Bisque
with Bay Scallops which was absolutely outstanding for 6 tokens.
That may well have been the tastiest treat of the day. House Afire
offered 6 Jumbo Wings with a choice of two different sauces for 4
tokens. We got the 'Spicy Gold Sauce' which was similar but
slightly different than a standard Buffalo wing sauce. The portion
size of the wings was the biggest of all. Luca's Mediterranean
Cafe had a Tiramisu for 4 tokens. It was different from other
Tiramisu we've had and we didn't enjoy it quite as much, though I
personally though it was okay. Rynborn Restaurant offered Baby
Back Ribs for 6 tokens that were wonderful. They were Bar-b-q with
a pleasant sauce and the kids even enjoyed them. Fritz Belgian
Fries had a Smoked Gouda & Proscuitto Panini for 5 tokens that was
very tasty. I noticed they also had a Stella glass on their table
which would lead a person to believe they may have good quality beer at
their location. We also enjoyed the Pad Thai and Spring Roll from
Thai Garden for 6 tokens. It was very authentic (I've been to
Thailand many times) and tasted great.
In addition to the food, the stores were all open for business and they
had a lady playing Christmas music on the piano near the food court
where we sat to eat. She was a very good piano player and we
enjoyed the music and atmosphere, though I don't recall her name
now. The event was well attended. Because the mall isn't
very large, there was a small amount of 'crowding' but I didn't feel
claustrophobic at all. In fact, for me it was a comforting feeling
to be around all of the local people enjoying the local cuisine in the
local mall.
Other
Drive times can be found on the
statewide page.
There are no Interstate Highways in Keene however there are several
good highways that go through town and provide access to and through
the town.
Property taxes in Keene are higher than some other areas in the state
(around $29 / $1000 assessed value). I didn't look closely at all
of the schools but we got to see the high school several times and it
looks nice and new (and/or well maintained). We didn't visit or
get information about any churches but we saw some in the course of
driving around town.
Keene has a bit of a college town feel to it. Keene State College
accounts for a significant percentage of the town's population which
(due to the students and professors) keeps the demographic a bit
younger.
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