NH and the FSP - Chat
This Thursday evening Nov 4, 2004 at 9pm ET, we have a panel of NH
residents available to answer your questions about NH and the FSP. Please bring
your questions and join our chat at freestateproject.org/chat. The NH
residents include George Reich, Rich Tomasso, Jack Shimek and Fred Mitchell.
Hope to see you there!
Here's a transcript of the chat that took place:
[21:13] <Kat> Tonight we have NH residents Fred Mitchell (freedomfred)
[21:14] <Kat> Jack Shimek (jaqeboy) from Amherst, NH
[21:14] <jaqeboy> I'm a native of Texas, Mechanical Engineer, have
been in NH for 27 years
[21:14] <freedomfred> I've lived in NH for over 6 years now.
[21:14] <JonM> I've lived near NH for 10!
[21:14] <Kat> and Rich Tomasso (Rich_T) also from Nashua
[21:15] <Kat> Great, Jon...you can answer questions too :)
[21:15] <Rich_T> Hi! I've got a background in software and
writing/editing. Done plenty of campaign and media work for the LP and others.
[21:15] <matthew> Jaqe, I'm in Texas and studying to be an Engineer.
[21:15] <freedomfred> When I relocated here, I had a choice between NH
and MA -- well, the choice was pretty darn clear cut!
[21:15] <jaqeboy> Yay!
[21:15] <JonM> I can tell you how ugly route 3 looks during commute
[21:15] <jaqeboy> go for it
[21:16] <Pat> how ugly is it?
[21:16] <Kat> it's not LA
[21:16] <matthew> How is employment for Engineers in NH?
[21:16] <freedomfred> I run a hosting service where I focus mostly on
[21:16] <Rich_T> it's so ugly people look for jobs in NH to avoid it.
[21:16] <matthew> I'm attending UTSA now.
[21:16] <JonM> click on route 3 on there at about 5:30 tomorrow
[21:16] <jaqeboy> hmm, probably not that great
[21:16] <matthew> :(
[21:17] <jaqeboy> I dropped out and run a handyman/home repair biz
[21:17] <matthew> really?
[21:17] <Rich_T> Route 3 should be a lot better once they finished
adding a lane each way.
[21:17] <Kat> Several members have started to work on a program to
recruit businesses to move to NH
[21:17] <jnoyes> do you need help Ive got all my own tools
[21:17] <jaqeboy> but an old engineering client called me up and I'm
doing some work for him again
[21:17] <JonM> they are widening it for all those NH commuters, but
they're not being wise about it, only going to 3 lanes instead of 4
[21:17] <Johnson> ooh Rachel Mills is in here
[21:17] <jaqeboy> maybe
[21:17] <Kat> That may help job prospects in many areas
[21:17] <freedomfred> Rt 3 reall ugly -- especially with all the
construction -- ugly south of the border, that is.
[21:17] <Johnson> Rachel... you rock..
[21:18] <JonM> when you hit the NH border on route 3 it goes from 2
lanes to about 5
[21:18] <adam> Any particular type of businesses?
[21:18] <JonM> and in a couple of miles right back to 2
[21:18] <Rich_T> doesn't go down to 2 until you leave nashua
[21:18] <JonM> luckily all the mall traffic gets off at the last exit
in MA, #36
[21:18] <jnoyes> show of hands who is going to the 2005 porcfest
[21:18] <freedomfred> At that point, it's the Everret TPK, and traffic
is tolerable on it.
[21:19] <adam> Where and when?
[21:19] <svillee> I plan to attend the 2005 porcfest
[21:19] <jnoyes> ~25th july
[21:19] <spike> Carol and I are going. - Dan McGuire
[21:19] * Rich_T raises hand
[21:19] <JonM> the mall in Nashua as a little corner cut out of the JC
Penny, because that part of the land is in Massachusetts
[21:19] <JonM> and MA wanted to collect sales taxes because of it
[21:19] <adam> Will it be a three day event? What is the best day to
attend if one can't be there for the entire event?
[21:20] <Pat> MY hand is up
[21:20] <Pat> can I put it down now?
[21:20] <spike> Saturday
[21:20] <jnoyes> not that I want to tank anyones B&B but my
grandmother has a 1/2 acre near manchester NH I plan on camping
[21:20] <russellkanning> porcfest 2005 :)
[21:20] <freedomfred> What's up Pat?
[21:21] <Pat> oh nothing I was raisingmy hand for thrporc fest
[21:21] <jsorens> mary & i will be there of course :)
[21:21] <DubleQwik> Good Evening, All...
[21:21] <jnoyes> evening
[21:21] <freedomfred> Yes, be there.
[21:21] <Kat> I'll be at the next porcfest
[21:22] <jsorens> i have a question, a very specific one
[21:22] <Kat> If you have questions, just go ahead and fire away
[21:22] <jnoyes> oh yeah company is welcome on that little spot of
[21:22] <freedomfred> I missed the 2004 porcfest much to my regret,
but rather extraordinary events were taking place personally. Next year, I will
definitely be there.
[21:23] <jsorens> do any of you know anything particularly interesting
about new england college in nashua? i applied for a job there.
[21:23] <JonM> there's a college in nashua? <G>
[21:23] <jaqeboy> several
[21:23] <freedomfred> There's the Daniel Webster college
[21:23] <adam> I've thought about going.
[21:23] <Rich_T> I think it's mostly a business school.
[21:23] <JonM> c'mon, you know you want to teach at Dartmouth
[21:23] <freedomfred> and also Rivier -- both in Nashua
[21:23] <jaqeboy> don't knowanything particular about NEC, Nashua
[21:23] <JonM> bastion of free speech that it is
[21:23] <jnoyes> dummy question where is dartmouth?
[21:23] <jsorens> of course i do jon but ill take what i can get ;)
[21:24] <adam> Dartmouth is too liberal!
[21:24] <Rich_T> do you know where the campus is?
[21:24] <JonM> of course, and they need token non liberals
[21:24] <matthew> To those of you who have houses, would you mind
sharing what your taxes actually cost you last year?
[21:24] * FTL_Ian points at the user count
[21:24] <Kat> cool, ian
[21:24] <jnoyes> good idea
[21:24] <freedomfred> Daniel Webster is mostly IT oriented. Rivier is
mostly Nursing oriented, I believe.
[21:24] <jaqeboy> on Amherst Street
[21:24] <DubleQwik> Is the Free State Project actually moving towards
[21:24] <Rich_T> Revier focuses mostly on liberal arts
[21:24] <jsorens> nec looks like a small liberal arts college, not
[21:25] <JonM> signups have picked up a bit of steam lately
[21:25] <Kat> Several people have moved. We're having an effect on NH
[21:25] * Lindsey looks at the user count, claps at Ian
[21:25] <Lindsey> :-P
[21:25] <jaqeboy> Daniel Webster College is an aviation school mostly,
but added IT, Fred
[21:25] <Mallory> Dartmouth is in Hanover, jnoyes
[21:25] <jnoyes> thanks
[21:25] <matthew> My wife asks "Do you actually have real seasons, or
is there just a month of summer and cold for the rest of the year"?
[21:25] <adam> As an outsider I've noticed tremendous progress in the
last six months.
[21:25] <Rich_T> clap for Kat too, she promoted the hell out of this
[21:25] <JonM> heh
[21:25] <svillee> My property tax bill is $1352 for 2004
[21:25] <JonM> there was no spring this year
[21:25] <freedomfred> Ok, right. Forgot about that. After all, DW is
right next to the airport in Nashua.
[21:25] <JonM> but we had several months of very nice summer
[21:25] <adam> Northern Maine has three days of summer and eight
months of winter.
[21:25] <Adam_Selene> Wait for my code-word DubleQwik. When I give
the codeword 'TANSTAAFL' the FSP revolution begins ;)
[21:26] <JonM> heck it was 70 last sunday
[21:26] <Johnson> So, I found this interesting...
[21:26] <Johnson> take a look at VT
[21:26] <jnoyes> wow I looked at a 36000 house in harrisburg taxes
were 3000 a year
[21:26] <Kat> I've seen two seasons here, since I moved in June
[21:26] <freedomfred> Taxes in Nashua are a bit steep -- I'm paying
approx $5000 a year.
[21:26] <spike> Progress? The election results seem negative to me.
[21:26] <JonM> nashua and salem have the benefit of the retail
businesses to offset their taxes, but then they go and have all those services
[21:26] <Kat> My taxes should be about $900
[21:27] <DubleQwik> LOL...Adam, I waited in the 70s for "the
revolution" and then spent 20 years in the Army when
[21:27] <DubleQwik> the revolution faded away....
[21:27] <matthew> I think here a $140K house will be taxed ~4200/yr
[21:27] <Rich_T> johnson - Bernie sanders is a socialist, not an
[21:27] <JonM> the revolution will not be televised, it will be
[21:27] <JonM> and you can thank Jim Jeffords for a gallon of milk
costing me $3 today
[21:27] <Johnson> Rich_T: I just thought it was interesting how 3rd
party candidates dominated there
[21:27] <freedomfred> We *are* the revolution in progress
[21:27] <Johnson> and there only
[21:28] <jnoyes> speaking of revolution what specific bits of
legislation will FSB for or against
[21:28] <jnoyes> fsp
[21:28] <Johnson> and seemingly in every county in VT
[21:28] <JonM> there 3rd party cause they're too nuts for the
[21:28] <Johnson> seems like there is something to be learned there
[21:28] <jaqeboy> Jason, do you want us to check on anything at
NewEngland College, Nashua?
[21:28] <Rich_T> VT does have a strong Progressive party and some
other points of strength for 3rd parties.
[21:28] <Mallory> Tish
[21:28] <FTL_Ian> FSP does not support or oppose legislation
[21:28] <FTL_Ian> jnoyes
[21:28] <Johnson> Rich_T: how did they attain that I wonder?
[21:28] <Rich_T> I'm sure Hardy Macia could fill you in better though.
[21:28] <jsorens> each of the northern new england states has its own
character... vt is independent & socialist-leaning, nh is independent and
libertarian-leaning, & me is independent and populist
[21:29] <Mallory> I lived in VT...they weren't that nuts.
[21:29] <Johnson> that open mindedness to 3rd parties
[21:29] <jnoyes> okay the purpose is to get us there
[21:29] <JonM> MA is the bitch of the Democrats
[21:29] <jsorens> jaqeboy - not really, just wanted to find out any
inside info if anyone had any...
[21:29] <jaqeboy> k
[21:29] <jnoyes> but what would the people in NH already there like to
see changed or remain the same
[21:29] <Rich_T> depends on whom you ask.
[21:30] <jnoyes> who is here to ask, cus Im asking
[21:30] <FTL_Ian> Hopefully the ones who disagree with us will move
[21:30] <svillee> I'm actually pretty happy with the way things are
[21:30] <freedomfred> The politics in NH is not your normal cup of tea
-- which is a good thing in my book.
[21:30] <Mallory> That's nice, Ian, pushing people out of their state
[21:30] <Kat> I'd like to see homeschooling laws loosened up
[21:30] <jnoyes> good what else?
[21:30] <JonM> the further north you go, the more people will seem to
be live and let live
[21:31] <adam> Maybe we need to study the politics of Vermont to
discover why third parties do well there
[21:31] <svillee> I guess we could dump that interest and dividends
[21:31] <JonM> well Jim Jeffords is an Independent, but was elected as
a republican, and brings home pork
[21:31] <Rich_T> I think the biggest areas of support FSPers could
find are: 1) school choice, 2) lowering taxes, 3) anything else that helps
economic development but not turn NH into a strip mall.
[21:31] <freedomfred> I'm homeschooling my daughter again. She was in
public school for a couple of months, but grew tired of it.
[21:31] <Kat> Great, Fred!
[21:31] <JonM> need to lower business enterprise tax if you want more
businesses to move in
[21:32] <JonM> that's the grouse for companies in northern MA
[21:32] <Bramblecroft> I found the FSP website by searching on the key
word "self-sufficiency" What does that term have to do with FSP?
[21:32] <Rich_T> Yeah, we could build a coalition to work on lowering
[21:32] <adam> business tax should be little or none
[21:32] <JonM> 8.5% is more than Mass charges
[21:32] <jnoyes> personally I like local business but am leery of
walmart and trans-nat corporations
[21:32] <freedomfred> None is preferred.
[21:32] <svillee> Does MA have any equivalent tax?
[21:33] <JonM> heh
[21:33] <Rich_T> MA has a personal and business tax, plus a steep
capital gains tax.
[21:33] <Kat> I think a lot of freestaters are interested in self
sufficiency. There was a lot of talk about setting up a self sufficient
[21:33] <JonM> there isn't much in Mass that's not taxed
[21:33] <freedomfred> NH also has a dividend tax, which is annoying.
[21:33] <jnoyes> is there one already if not Im starting one
[21:33] <Johnson> Bramblecroft: most FSP memebr are libertarians...
you'd do well to read some materials at www.lp.org
[21:33] <JonM> clothes $175 or less per item...food that isn't
[21:33] <JonM> can't think of anything else
[21:33] <matthew> How does the NH Food Tax work?
[21:33] <JonM> prepared foods 8%
[21:33] <JonM> no taxes on unprepared
[21:33] <Rich_T> eating out adds 8%
[21:34] <jaqeboy> It's a room & meals tax
[21:34] <jaqeboy> supposedly to tax the tourists
[21:34] <Bramblecroft> thanks, I will...
[21:34] <freedomfred> If you must work in Mass, they tax income at a
5.6% rate or so.
[21:34] <FTL_Ian> Mallory: no one is pushing people out of NH.
Hopefully, they'll wise up and leave on their own, if they don't like the
[21:34] <matthew> ah, ok. I was worried it was on groceries. I
[21:34] <svillee> So even with our existing B E tax, NH should still
be attractive to MA businesses.
[21:34] <Johnson> oooh that sucks... I eat out a lot
[21:34] <JonM> 5.35% right now
[21:34] <jaqeboy> not on groceries
[21:34] <Lindsey> Yeah you do
[21:34] <Lindsey> :-P
[21:34] * Mallory pats Ian's head
[21:34] <Mallory> Okay
[21:34] <JonM> nah, I tried to get my business to move to NH, but the
BET did it in
[21:35] <Rich_T> NH does have advantage business wise - no personal
imcome tax or sales tax attracts workers.
[21:35] <FTL_Ian> Johnson, make your own meals. You do want to be a
homeowner, right? Eating out eats right into your mortgage payments.
[21:35] <freedomfred> Lots of good restarunts in the Manchester and
[21:35] <JonM> the MA income tax was supposed to drop to 5%...love our
legislature, the best that money can buy
[21:35] <jnoyes> how much of NH's economic center is Boston?
[21:35] <adam> Florida has a 1% tax on all stock you own. And you pay
it every year
[21:35] <Lindsey> Johnson...cooking...
[21:35] <Kat> not like San francisco restaurants though
[21:35] <Mallory> Johnson: Keep food at your house :-P. It's really
not that expensive if you know how to shop correctly.
[21:35] <matthew> Are pre-packaged foods like Soda drinks and chips
[21:35] * Lindsey snickers
[21:35] <JonM> not just stock adam, net worth with exclusions afaik
[21:35] <Kat> I almost never go out to eat any more
[21:35] <Rich_T> We're #4 nationally for venture capital. Fewer
licensing laws. I'm pretty sure the cost of living is less all around.
[21:35] <Johnson> I hate cooking
[21:35] <Mallory> Tish
[21:35] <jaqeboy> many people commute into northern Mass, some all the
way into Boston
[21:35] <Johnson> mostly becuase I hate cleaning
[21:35] <Lindsey> Do you want me to come cook for you?
[21:35] <Lindsey> :-P
[21:35] <freedomfred> Some good ones as well just south of the border.
You can pretty much find your favorite cusine without too much ado.
[21:36] <Kat> woo woo
[21:36] <Mallory> Yeah me and Lindsey will come cook for you, okay?
[21:36] <Mallory> :-P
[21:36] <Johnson> actually I shouldn't say I hate cooking
[21:36] <jnoyes> and ill do dishes ;)
[21:36] <Johnson> hahah
[21:36] <jsorens> matthew: soda & chips not taxed, but prepared
sandwiches that you get at the supermarket are
[21:36] <jaqeboy> therewas a snack tax, right?
[21:36] <Lindsey> And I'm going to make your bed
[21:36] <Johnson> I like cooking a lot... I just hate cleaning
[21:36] <FTL_Ian> Johnson: microwave food
[21:36] <Lindsey> :-P
[21:36] <matthew> Thanks jaqe :)
[21:36] <Lindsey> Without extra stuff in it
[21:36] <Mallory> Well fine, we'll clean for you
[21:36] <Lindsey> :-P
[21:36] <JonM> MA meals tax is 5%
[21:36] <Mallory> I like cleaning
[21:36] <Johnson> Ian: GROSS
[21:36] <Mallory> Especially doing dishes
[21:36] <matthew> err. jsorens i eman
[21:36] <Mallory> It's very satisfying
[21:36] <Lindsey> Yeah, what he said
[21:37] <Lindsey> I do dishes quickly, but I also do them well
[21:37] <Johnson> I prefer things made via Toaster Over
[21:37] <Lindsey> I've never used a dishwasher
[21:37] <Johnson> *oven
[21:37] <JonM> heh
[21:37] <JonM> I can cook AND bake!
[21:37] * JonM grins
[21:37] <jnoyes> anyone know any good NH real-estate agents btw
[21:38] <Kat> so dinner at Jon's house?
[21:38] <jaqeboy> whatarea of the state?
[21:38] <freedomfred> My harem cooks for me. :-)
[21:38] <JonM> a few have posted to the forums
[21:38] <jnoyes> pot luck
[21:38] <Kat> I know a couple in the Keene area, jnoyes
[21:38] <jnoyes> coos, grafton
[21:38] <matthew> I was looking at a movers guide, and thoughout most
of the state of NH it was cheaper to rent than it is here in San Antonio.
however, when considering purchasing, the cost was much higher.
[21:38] <Lindsey> I'm just good at everything I do
[21:38] <Lindsey> :-P
[21:38] <Kat> Grafton yes
[21:38] <JonM> NH does not have the consumer protection laws that MA
has for home buyers, so you will need someone to look out for you
[21:38] <jnoyes> explain "look out"
[21:39] <jaqeboy> there is Dave Walthour in Grafton
[21:39] <adam> Cheaper to rent than buy?
[21:39] <Mallory> Okay Lindsey *pats your head*
[21:39] <JonM> make sure the septic system is ok
[21:39] <JonM> things like that
[21:39] <jnoyes> gotcha
[21:39] <jnoyes> whats the soil like
[21:39] <JonM> In MA it's the law you must inspect your septic system
before selling your house
[21:39] <jnoyes> lotta sand mounds out there
[21:39] <freedomfred> Depends on where you live.
[21:39] <Kat> Dave Walthour is pro-fsp and a really great guy
[21:39] <Lindsey> Oh you know it's true, Mal
[21:39] <jnoyes> okay where you live then
[21:39] <matthew> adam, yes. on a per year basis. according to
[21:39] <svillee> The buyer should always get a full home inspection.
[21:40] <adam> Anyone familiar with Rochester, NH?
[21:40] <jaqeboy> I rent from another libertarian
[21:40] <jaqeboy> and rent a room out to a libertarian
[21:40] <JonM> heh
[21:40] <Mallory> Yeah I know, Lindsey :-P
[21:40] <JonM> rent it forward
[21:40] <jaqeboy> rite
[21:40] <Kat> George Reich couldn't get connected to the chat, but
says Hello to everyone and would be willing to answer email questions. He's at
[21:40] <JonM> did he try a standalone client?
[21:40] <jaqeboy> he's in Rochester
[21:41] <Kat> Dover
[21:41] <adam> Thanks, matthew
[21:41] <jaqeboy> k
[21:41] * JonM knows the IRC
[21:41] <Lindsey> He could try the awful applet-ness on the Free Talk
[21:41] * Lindsey shudders at the thought
[21:41] <JonM> bah, just install mIRC, it's like a real IRC client
[21:41] <jnoyes> uhm arent I on that?
[21:41] <matthew> The applet wouldn't connect for me. Actually mIRC
took forever too.
[21:41] <Rich_T> bersIRC works well too
[21:41] * Mallory pets mIRC
[21:42] <matthew> It tooks 9 tries.
[21:42] <Lindsey> Humm...odd
[21:42] <JonM> I run bersirc on EFNet, but it's a bit...buggy
[21:42] <Lindsey> Jesus
[21:42] <Lindsey> Humm...I've been connected all day with no
[21:42] <Johnson> ian has craplet on his site... =)
[21:42] <jnoyes> hey speaking of internet whats the access like in the
[21:42] <Mallory> Yeah and I connected up all spiffy like
[21:42] <adam> Jaqeboy, who is in Rochester
[21:42] <matthew> Are the native NHers friendly to the influx of
[21:42] <Mallory> Yeah, the one on the Taste of the Goods site is
[21:43] <Lindsey> They both suck
[21:43] <Lindsey> :-P
[21:43] <jaqeboy> This native says "come on up"
[21:43] <Lindsey> How did I get on Ian's server again?
[21:43] <jnoyes> looking for a high power array like spokane
[21:43] <jaqeboy> we need reinforcements
[21:43] <JonM> wow, I'm only .15 behind
[21:43] <Kat> I've not met anyone who was not friendly to freestaters.
I usually tell people why I'm here, too
[21:43] <MichaelEdelstein> Hello, everybody.
[21:43] <JonM> you haven't met Kathy Sullivan yet!
[21:43] <adam> I'm interested in Rochester. Anyone from there?
[21:43] <jaqeboy> Geo Reich- actually Dover
[21:43] <Kat> Michael, you made it :)
[21:44] <adam> Thanks
[21:44] <Mallory> I don't know, Lindsey, you need to stop doing that
[21:44] <Lindsey> I do
[21:44] <Lindsey> Hehe
[21:44] <MichaelEdelstein> Yes, I had some visual problems.
[21:44] <Lindsey> I don't know how it happened
[21:45] <Lindsey> Stupid mIRC
[21:45] <Kat> Did you have questions about Rochester, Adam?
[21:45] <Lindsey> I have entirely too many windows open, and I'm
[21:45] <Lindsey> :-P
[21:45] <jaqeboy> is this a computer technology chat?
[21:45] <JonM> maybe some random people could message you
[21:45] <jaqeboy> never mind
[21:46] <Lindsey> Random people did message me
[21:46] <Johnson> hahahh
[21:46] <Lindsey> :-P
[21:46] <JonM> I remember
[21:46] <Lindsey> On like...three different servers
[21:46] <Mallory> No random people message me
[21:46] <Lindsey> Random people message me all the time
[21:46] * JonM is still sequential
[21:46] <Rich_T> a hazard of aol I guess.
[21:46] <Lindsey> Haha
[21:46] <Kat> Any more questions about NH?
[21:46] <matthew> For the last three years my wife has been begging me
to move to the North East. I was adametly against it. After learning of FSP
and NH's already libertarian/constitutional-ist tendancies, I am all for it. I
am so excited about NH now.
[21:46] <Lindsey> I'm telling Daniel that you're my bitch, Ian...
[21:46] <Lindsey> :-P
[21:47] <Kat> Cool, matthew!
[21:47] <JonM> I like the cnn electoral map, it shows every state dark
blue, and NH light blue
[21:47] <jaqeboy> come on up
[21:47] <freedomfred> Come on up!
[21:47] <Kat> I love it here, and I never thought I'd like the east
[21:47] <JonM> even when they go to the dark side, they don't go all
[21:47] <Mallory> What's so wrong about the North East, man?
[21:47] <jnoyes> winter
[21:47] <matthew> Yankees! That's what's wrong
[21:47] <Lindsey> Winter is good
[21:47] <JonM> stay inside
[21:47] * matthew is in trouble now.
[21:47] <Lindsey> I love winter
[21:47] <Lindsey> It's my favorite
[21:47] <Kat> I thought people around Boston were supposed to be
snotty to outsiders
[21:47] <russellkanning> matthew where do you want to move to?
[21:47] <JonM> some are
[21:48] <Mallory> You'll get used to winter rather quickly
[21:48] <JonM> but those aren't the same people
[21:48] <Rich_T> and the NH vote was a strange phenomenon this year.
[21:48] <Kat> But NHites don't seem to be that way
[21:48] <matthew> Havn't decided where yet, move is still 4+ years off
(need to finish school)
[21:48] <freedomfred> The vast majority of Bostonians are cool.
[21:48] <Kat> (in finishing school?)
[21:48] <jsorens> the 'yankees' stereotype is applicable to people in
and around new york city, and possibly boston as well. but not in the less
[21:48] <JonM> I think half of eastern ma works for the city or state
[21:48] <freedomfred> A handful are somewhat annoying -- but you get
[21:48] <Kat> Haven't met any snotty people in boston
[21:48] <JonM> I'm positive half the voters do
[21:49] <freedomfred> They love their Red Sox, though.
[21:49] <adam> I find Bostonians better to deal with than New Yorkers.
[21:49] <Rich_T> well, yeah.
[21:49] <Mallory> I don't like either, personally.
[21:49] <MichaelEdelstein> Excuse me, Adam. I'm from Brooklyn.
[21:49] <jaqeboy> Boston's like a country cross roads compared to NYC
[21:49] <Lindsey> I love New York
[21:49] <Lindsey> Hehe
[21:49] <jnoyes> does anyone know of any local currency initives or
LETS systems in NH(like Ithica hours)
[21:49] <Lindsey> NYC is my favorite place ever
[21:49] <JonM> boston, fun to drive in! funner to walk in!
[21:49] <Lindsey> Hehe
[21:50] <Pat> AS aNew Yorker I can say that almost every where I go
people seem nicer
[21:50] <jaqeboy> There's a Time Bank network
[21:50] <adam> NYC is a nice, exciting place to visit
[21:50] <JonM> I was in boston on the day of game 1
[21:50] <jnoyes> where
[21:50] <matthew> Liberty Dollars is linked off of the FSP website.
[21:50] <jaqeboy> and the Monadnock Freedom Forum had a seminar on
[21:50] <Kat> George Reich is involved in some alternate gold currency
[21:50] <freedomfred> Quite frankly, I have NEVER had a problem with a
Bostonian. I've had a couple of probems with some idiots in the Greater Boston
area. But as a whole, most are cool.
[21:51] <Pat> I almost fell over in Keene this spring when a cop said
"good mornning sir " to me.
[21:51] <matthew> http://libertydollar.org/
[21:51] <Kat> I believe you Fred...that's just what I was told before
I got here
[21:51] <JonM> most individuals are nice, it's groups that cause
[21:51] <Rich_T> GoldMoney.com is run by a guy in NH.
[21:51] <Adam_Selene> What about e-gold? Anyone keen on that?
[21:51] <Kat> Keene police have been nice, ya
[21:51] <jnoyes> currency backed by gold is rather sketchysince the
federal reserve managed to steal much of it all ready
[21:51] <jaqeboy> e-gold works
[21:51] <jaqeboy> used on ebay, etc.
[21:51] <JonM> better than backed by hope
[21:51] <Kat> They had that proposed law to pay NH employees with gold
[21:51] <MichaelEdelstein> Everyone I've met in my recent trips to NH
has been nice.
[21:52] <jsorens> fsp accepts e-gold
[21:52] <Lindsey> Look! It's a saint!
[21:52] <adam> Kat, tell me a little about Rochester. Are there any
colleges within 1/2 hr that offer eveining classes?
[21:52] <stpeter> heh
[21:52] * stpeter listens in
[21:52] <svillee> I have accounts with e-gold, e-bullion, goldmoney
and pecunix. No problems with any of them.
[21:52] <Rich_T> adam - UNH Durham is within that distance.
[21:52] <freedomfred> On the police front -- Mass police are
problematic. As are Nashua police. Concord police are cool, as are the State
[21:53] <Kat> I'd love to be able to tell you about Rochester, but I
don't know. George Reich lives near there and has offered to answer questions.
You could try him at email@example.com
[21:53] <freedomfred> NH State police, that is.
[21:53] <jaqeboy> when more of you are up here, we'll have more
critical mass for having a side money system
[21:53] <jaqeboy> whether gold, or lets, or whatever
[21:53] <Adam_Selene> anyone who wants to help me test my new account
please send some e-gold to account number 1041461 ;)
[21:53] <jnoyes> do they have speeding/parking tickets in NH
[21:53] <MichaelEdelstein> Do they look the other way when confronted
with pot smokers?
[21:53] <Kat> lol Adam
[21:53] <JonM> speeding yes
[21:53] <jaqeboy> parking tix yet
[21:53] <jaqeboy> yes
[21:53] <JonM> be careful on those on ramps
[21:53] <freedomfred> parking, yes, in the urban area.
[21:54] <adam> What is alternate gold?
[21:54] <jnoyes> kind of a conflict of interest dont you think
[21:54] <jaqeboy> comeup and help us restore the streets to the people
[21:54] <jnoyes> all in time
[21:54] <jaqeboy> right to travel, right to park, etc.
[21:54] <Lindsey> Why would they not have parking tickets?
[21:54] <Lindsey> Heh
[21:54] <jnoyes> I plan on running for office
[21:54] <Kat> The streets for the people!!
[21:54] <Mallory> I know, seriously
[21:55] <jaqeboy> because you pay for the streets once in taxes, and
you have a right to use of the public ways
[21:55] <Bramblecroft> So the goal is 20,000 libertarians anywhere in
NH? Not in a central place?
[21:55] <jnoyes> but not til I pay back my school loans and can
actually make a living there ;)
[21:55] <freedomfred> I wouldn't do pot in Nashua. Outside of Nashua
you should be ok.
[21:55] <Pat> Did any body have the thought that theNH state police
might be um told to be on thelook outforout of state cars to ticket at the next
porc fest compliments of the new govener?
[21:55] <Kat> anywhere in NH
[21:55] <Kat> Hi Stephen
[21:55] <Kurt2> wow lots of people
[21:55] <Kurt2> this is great
[21:55] <StephenBennett> Hey Kat! First time here.
[21:55] <Kurt2> I saw something on th FSP in the news
[21:55] <Kurt2> were any of you in there?
[21:55] <StephenBennett> You all forced me to install IE
[21:55] <Kat> :) nice to see you here
[21:55] <freedomfred> I'd have a hard time believing the NH state
police would do that.
[21:56] <StephenBennett> so it took awhile
[21:56] <JonM> bramble: the goal is 20,000 activists, not just voters
[21:56] <Kat> The news where, Kurt?
[21:56] <JonM> spread out works better for activists, they are to
convince others to vote for change
[21:56] * stpeter wonders if there are 20,000 activists for freedom on the
whole planet ;-)
[21:56] <JonM> yeah, but they're dying in other countries
[21:56] <Kurt2> kat some clip on the internet actually
[21:56] <JonM> we're trying to head that off early
[21:56] <jnoyes> hey we are 6000 so far maybe we can sponsor
[21:57] <Pat> just a thought
[21:57] <JonM> we have a few
[21:57] <Lindsey> They're all from Red China
[21:57] <Lindsey> :-P
[21:57] <Kat> Was it a particular channel, Kurt?
[21:57] <StephenBennett> I've read about some people in France liking
[21:57] <stpeter> how about an exchange program with the Movemiento
Libertario in Costa Rica?
[21:57] <Pat> some times Iam paraniod
[21:57] <Kurt2> kat can't remember
[21:57] <matthew> wow, 6000 in NH already?
[21:57] <Adam_Selene> I hail from 14,000 km away
[21:57] <JonM> 6000 signed up to move
[21:57] <Kat> Jason was in the Boston TV show
[21:57] <adam> Thanks for the info Kat. I'll contact George
[21:57] <StephenBennett> Don't know what their nationality is, but
they were blogging about us
[21:57] <matthew> ah, signed up to move. i am one of those.
[21:57] <Rich_T> we could offer to swap a socialist in NH for a
libertarian in another state. LIke an exchange program.
[21:57] <Kat> 311 in NH
[21:57] <JonM> yeah, about that hair Jason . . .
[21:57] <Kurt2> how many have confirmed moving? 60?
[21:58] <Kurt2> nice 311
[21:58] <Kat> great, Rich!
[21:58] <stpeter> ... http://www.libertario.org/en/
[21:58] <JonM> 311 includes those there pre-vote
[21:58] <Kurt2> on an article on the fsp site it says 51
[21:58] <Rich_T> if they trade houses, can probably have to tax
[21:58] <Kat> about that, Kurt...more have actually moved
[21:58] <Kurt2> awesome
[21:58] <Kurt2> I'll probably move in the next few years
[21:58] <Kat> My daughter and I are two :)
[21:58] <Kurt2> I'm in Winnipeg right now
[21:58] <Kat> cool
[21:58] <Kurt2> I'm 24
[21:59] <Kat> lol
[21:59] <matthew> as I am i kurt
[21:59] <StephenBennett> My socialist "friend" here in NH are
energized after Benson going down
[21:59] <matthew> for the next month and half anway.
[21:59] <StephenBennett> (I'm 24 too!)
[21:59] <matthew> my wife, and 2 kids will make 4 :)
[21:59] <JonM> he ddn't go down by much
[21:59] <adam> Did you all read the FSP article in the Washington
Times, NWE two months ago. It was a entire page!!
[21:59] <jnoyes> Id say we take the long view
[21:59] <jsorens> the fsp was featured in a major french tv program
[21:59] <Kurt2> I'm single
[21:59] <Kat> Yeah, that article was great
[21:59] <Kurt2> I live with my brother right now
[21:59] <Kurt2> he's 20
[22:00] <JonM> NH's vote was split so down the middle the cnn map has
almost no shading
[22:00] <JonM> only lower left with Keene
[22:00] <StephenBennett> (Kurt, I was kidding. 24 was long ago. But
I'm single too!)
[22:00] <Kurt2> next election nh will go libertarian for sure
[22:00] <jnoyes> hey kat: what the male female split in FSP for those
of us who are single?
[22:00] <svillee> I would think it would be easier for a French person
to move to Andorra than to NH.
[22:00] <Kat> oh I was gonna say, Stephen!
[22:00] <MichaelEdelstein> We should start looking for a libertarian
candidate for Governer.
[22:00] <adam> I was surprised that Benson lost. Hope the new
residents can get him back in next time around.
[22:01] <Kurt2> I'm German
[22:01] <Kurt2> and Injun
[22:01] <JonM> benson was hammered on ethical issues
[22:01] <jsorens> i think andorra does restrict immigration tightly
tho (as does monaco)
[22:01] <Kat> I'm not sure. I think it's about 60/40. I could do a
[22:01] <Adam_Selene> The research I've done on NH has left me a
little disappointed I must say
[22:01] <JonM> tons of ads on boston TV and radio
[22:01] <adam> Trumped up!
[22:01] <MichaelEdelstein> Perhaps Badnarik will move here and run for
[22:01] <JonM> god knows how much was on NH tv and radio
[22:01] <svillee> More tightly than US?
[22:01] <Adam_Selene> NH seems to me to be very Conservative, not
Libertarian at all
[22:01] <Kat> you have to be a resident for 7 years before you can run
[22:02] <JonM> seems maybe, but isn't
[22:02] <JonM> no helmet law
[22:02] <jaqeboy> it is conservative, by tradition
[22:02] <MichaelEdelstein> In what way do you think it's conservative/
[22:02] <matthew> Consevative and Libertarian are not mutually
[22:02] <jsorens> yeah, more tightly than the us, certainly for
gaining citizenship - b/c theyre small, theyre very sensitive about any influx
[22:02] <Rich_T> Badnarik said he was looking at Gov of TX race.
[22:02] <StephenBennett> Folks, I took Craig's defeat pretty hard. I
had some hope for the direction of the state, and am so far a little bit
wondering if poeple are going to actually move here and make ther difference we
all committed to
[22:02] <matthew> fiscally conservative
[22:02] <JonM> well, old style conservative not neo-con if anything
[22:02] <matthew> yeanot neo-con
[22:02] <jnoyes> yeah you should see what the gop uses as conviction
statement too bad theyre leaders dont hold true to line
[22:02] <Rich_T> We are looking at some LPNH candidates already, for
those who care.
[22:02] <jsorens> adam - no state is libertarian. that's the reason
we need the fsp! but nh has some libertarian leanings, and is small enough to
[22:03] <Kat> Funny story: riding with oldtimer NH resident...guy
about 80...get to VT border, grumble grumble, seatbelt on. Then when we get
back to NH border, seatbelt immediately goes off
[22:03] <JonM> NH has an ingrained political activity that makes many
people willing to listen to other ideas
[22:03] <jnoyes> how is governer elected in NH
[22:03] <StephenBennett> Kat, it's the principle of it, not that it's
[22:03] <freedomfred> I think Craig's defeat was an abberation of the
[22:03] <JonM> popular vote, every 2 years
[22:03] <Rich_T> The Dems pulled out all the stops to win NH. Stuff no
one here has ever seen.
[22:03] <Bramblecroft> Is there any particular area other than NH that
has a high concentration of libertarians?
[22:03] <adam> Jason, I agree
[22:04] <Kat> The dems had so many people up from MASS
[22:04] <stpeter> Bramblecroft: Alaska?
[22:04] <jnoyes> representative or direct popular vote?
[22:04] <jaqeboy> direct
[22:04] <Rich_T> party membership follows the population spread of the
state. I can check the old registration list for a wider sample.
[22:04] <Kat> Stephen, it really cracked me up
[22:04] <jnoyes> wow maybe we should go door to door
[22:04] <adam> Didn't NH have libratarians as their second party
behind Republicans a number of years back?
[22:04] <jsorens> sry, didnt mean to confuse, my comment was directed
to adam_selene :)
[22:05] <StephenBennett> Yeah, and I wonder about Benson going down,
since this state was the only one that the exit polls were right about. And I
heard about buses with voters (late registrants) in them. Would love to know
if that is true. Anybody else hear of that?
[22:05] <JonM> if they don't get rid of fusion, should be possible to
get people elected
[22:05] <stpeter> fusion is pretty key
[22:05] <Kat> just what you heard, Stephen
[22:05] <Rich_T> Tons of new voters this year. Yes, they were driving
them to the polls.
[22:05] <JonM> straight ticket balloting is under attack too
[22:05] <Rich_T> I so hope we can get rid of straight ticket.
[22:05] <freedomfred> I had dem get out the vote people hitting my
door virtually every day just before the election.
[22:05] <StephenBennett> Registered from where? I wonder if many are
really living in Mass?
[22:05] <JonM> straight ticket helps fusion
[22:06] <MichaelEdelstein> I heard the Dems were voting early and
often--no matter how long they'd been dead.
[22:06] <Kat> I had 3 phone calls from dems on election day
[22:06] <jsorens> sounds as if same-day registration needs to go,
almost an open invitation to fraud
[22:06] <svillee> Why would they bus MA people to vote for NH
governor? Why would MA people care who is governor of NH?
[22:06] <StephenBennett> Right, Jason
[22:06] <JonM> they have same day because they don't have motor voter
[22:06] <jsorens> ah, i see, another flouting of the feds eh? id
rather make that tradeoff though...
[22:06] <JonM> sv: they've been alleged to bus in college kids to
throw local elections
[22:06] <adam> Benson didn't lose by much and he will be a strong
advocate for FSP
[22:07] <freedomfred> In NH, you can register right at the polls.
[22:07] <Rich_T> the allegeded MA voter in NH is for president, not
[22:07] <adam> 30 days minimum.
[22:07] <StephenBennett> Well, when I was at a Debate, there were
buses of Teamsters up from MAss, and they even brought up a large
[22:07] <jsorens> they couldve just come to vote for kerry & then
cast the straight ticket
[22:07] <JonM> same day registration is how Jesse Venture became
governor of Minnesota
[22:07] <adam> ME too!
[22:08] <StephenBennett> And then hit a friend of mine (who was
holding a Benson sign) on the head, bloody mess
[22:08] <svillee> Oh I see, so they can vote twice, once in MA and
once in NH
[22:08] <StephenBennett> Not too much blood actually, but makes for
[22:08] <JonM> the problem is there were no ID checks in NH
[22:08] <Kat> oh did you know that girl?
[22:08] <JonM> you could just have a "neighbor" vouch for you
[22:08] <StephenBennett> Yes, I do
[22:08] <JonM> but then, I've never been ID'd in MA to vote either
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[22:08] <Kat> That was really ugly :(
[22:08] <StephenBennett> (She lived)
[22:08] <StephenBennett> :-)
[22:09] <jsorens> and nh was known to be a swing state, ma wasnt...
[22:09] <JonM> give address, give name, get ballot, vote, give
address, give name, feed it to machine
[22:09] <adam> Good night, talk to you next time! Enjoyed this
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[22:09] <StephenBennett> Well, my guess is that they voted both places
[22:09] <jsorens> i was id'ed in ct, and we dont have same-day reg
[22:09] <JonM> at least they stopped posting the voting list outside
the polling place
[22:09] <StephenBennett> Neither was I
[22:09] <StephenBennett> No signature was required either
[22:10] <JonM> in Florida I had a voting ID card
[22:10] <StephenBennett> No ID, no signature, no vouch
[22:10] <JonM> but I moved away before I ever voted in person
[22:10] <MichaelEdelstein> How influential is the taxpayer's assoc. in
[22:10] <Rich_T> they keep trying to get a basic "show an ID" law in
NH, but it always gets defeated. Maybe with all the stories of alleged voting
irregularities it may have a push to get though.
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[22:10] <JonM> and we know what happens to military absentee ballots
[22:10] <JonM> the problem is show an id is so anti-libertarian
[22:11] <StephenBennett> Geesh, and we had a friend in Craig Benson.
I seriuosly doubt the same treatment by Lynch
[22:11] <JonM> lynch has a republican state house to deal with
[22:11] <StephenBennett> Well, that's why we should be able to vouch
[22:11] <StephenBennett> and we should have more polling places
[22:11] <freedomfred> Personally, I like not having to show an ID, but
anyone who abuses that should go to jail.
[22:11] <jsorens> lynch will not go out of his way to do anything for
us, thats probably true. but he will be a weak gov, facing a repub legislature
& exec council
[22:11] <StephenBennett> manned by people who know everyone
[22:11] <jaqeboy> Michael, there are 2 good powerful state-wide
[22:12] <JonM> and just 2 years, though I believe Benson holds a
record as the first first term governor seeking re-election to be defeated
[22:12] <jaqeboy> and many local city or town groups
[22:12] <StephenBennett> Yes, but Dave Wheeler (closet Libertarian)
got defeated at the Exec Council too
[22:12] <JonM> most of the politcs that affect you in NH occur at the
[22:12] <StephenBennett> By a dem
[22:12] <jnoyes> hey a little polling: could you guys state what you
dont like about the independent, green, and constitution parties
[22:12] <stpeter> JonM: I think the last one was in 1952 or something
[22:12] * stpeter googles
[22:12] <MichaelEdelstein> jageboy: In which cities are the two groups
[22:13] <StephenBennett> My brother said that the Constitutionalists
got a big showing in UTAH
[22:13] <freedomfred> Darn -- I like Dave Wheeler. He came to the
Parents Rights March in DC back in 98 or 99.
[22:13] <StephenBennett> (he lives in Salt Lake City)
[22:13] <Kat> Cool stephen
[22:13] <StephenBennett> Right Fred. Good guy, liberty oriented
[22:13] <Rich_T> Wheeler also helped out someone with a gun permit
even though he lived outside his district.
[22:14] <JonM> 6168, count is going up today
[22:14] <jaqeboy> Coalition of New Hampshire Taxpayers, President Ed
[22:14] <jaqeboy> http://www.cnht.org
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[22:14] <JonM> maybe 7000 by dec 31 isn't a pipe dream after all
[22:14] <jaqeboy> Granite State Taxpayers, was Roy Stewart, President,
[22:14] <StephenBennett> Jon, like you said, the local politics matter
most. That's the bummer (results from the elections)
[22:14] <MichaelEdelstein> Thanks, j'boy.
[22:15] <freedomfred> I think many who got kicked out this time around
will have a good chance to get back in in two years.
[22:15] <JonM> stephen: the real stuff happens in the spring, if you
have town meeting that's better
[22:15] <jsorens> some of the worst statists got kicked out too,
[22:15] <MichaelEdelstein> Does anyone know what city the Granite
State Taxpayers are based in?
[22:15] <StephenBennett> Yeah, but I can tell you the Craig's going
back to business
[22:15] <jaqeboy> will try tofind out Michael
[22:15] <stpeter> "first challenger since 1926 to defeat a first-term
governor seeking reelection in New Hampshire" ... source:
[22:15] <StephenBennett> (after the good ole boys habded him his ass)
[22:15] <StephenBennett> handed
[22:15] <MichaelEdelstein> Thanks, jboy.
[22:15] <JonM> it was what, 13,000 votes?
[22:16] <jsorens> there is also citizens for a sound economy, they are
strong in bedford
[22:16] <JonM> all people there to give NH to kerry
[22:16] <JonM> didn't CSE walk away from the bedford branch?
[22:16] <MichaelEdelstein> Jason, Does CSE focus on NH issues?
[22:16] <jsorens> yes
[22:16] <JonM> I recall some sort of riff
[22:16] <jsorens> you may be right jon
[22:17] <jsorens> i just know the bedford cse guy posts on the fsp
[22:17] <JonM> CSE was fighting tooth and nail on some shady school
[22:17] <StephenBennett> I hear that Goiv Benson really pissed off
Concord (the legislature olf timers) and they worked for his defeat
[22:17] <stpeter> CSE is a national organization with local affiliates
[22:17] <MichaelEdelstein> Great! Do you know of any of their NH
[22:17] <JonM> I do believe bedford students still go to manchester
[22:17] <stpeter> MichaelEdelstein: I don't, no
[22:18] <Rich_T> CSE did stop a bond issue or tax increase last year
in a special election.
[22:18] <StephenBennett> And I was also bummed to see the
Contitutional amendment go down, especially in light of the recent S.C.
[22:18] <StephenBennett> Constitutional
[22:18] <Rich_T> the voter guide on Q1 got pulled, which hurt it's
chances to reach 67% needed.
[22:18] <StephenBennett> (Even though we got 60K votes more than "no")
[22:18] <Anon4815> Michael, just one quick GST item:
[22:18] <stpeter> were there local elections in NH this year? I have
not seen coverage of them
[22:19] <JonM> But now, according to a statement from the national
headquarters of Citizens for a Sound Economy, the Bedford group has lost its
affiliation with the national parent organization, due to its focus on local
issues in Bedford and the consequent exclusion of CSE?s national agenda.
[22:19] <jsorens> heres an item from bedford cse:
[22:19] <MichaelEdelstein> Thanks, anon.
[22:19] <stpeter> ah, who needs national parent organization?
[22:20] <Rich_T> Derry also has a good taxpayers group.
[22:20] <jaqeboy> Nashua Taxpayers Association - NTA
[22:20] <JonM> national CSE is no more
[22:20] <JonM> it's merged with Empower America
[22:20] <MichaelEdelstein> Rich, do you know their name?
[22:20] <StephenBennett> Hey, Jason, I know you must get this q a lot,
but anyway . . . How are the recruiting efforts going?
[22:20] <JonM> better than before, not as good as it could be
[22:20] <StephenBennett> (And what can I do besides signing up the 5
people I have)
[22:21] <Rich_T> derrytax.org
[22:21] <MichaelEdelstein> Stephen: get the word out, inform others.
[22:21] <FTL_Ian> Stephen: I can answer. They just jumped.
[22:21] <FTL_Ian> Let's keep them rising.
[22:21] <MichaelEdelstein> Thanks, Rich.
[22:21] <Rich_T> isn't there a recruiting chat coming up?
[22:22] <Kat> Yes, next week
[22:22] <Lindsey> If anyone cares, I wore a Badnarik sign on my butt
on Monday all day at school to make an attempt at advertisement
[22:22] <Lindsey> :-P
[22:22] <jsorens> well, recruiting is still below where it needs to
be. we are trying new things, such as a direct mailing to mass libertarians,
and possibly a radio campaign in maryland.
[22:22] <JonM> stephen: get the url tattooed on your forehead!
[22:22] * FTL_Ian laughs
[22:22] <Kat> hello!
[22:22] <jsorens> website traffic has increased significantly over the
past couple of weeks, and signups have increased some too
[22:22] <StephenBennett> Hey, I have to take a telephone call for
awhile (from the West Coast). Will be back in a few . . .
[22:23] <FTL_Ian> jsorens: FSP ads run during Free Talk Live,
[22:23] <Lindsey> People were amused by the fact that I had the word
BADNARIK on my ass...
[22:23] <Lindsey> Yes...terrible FSP ads
[22:23] <Lindsey> :-P
[22:23] <FTL_Ian> I'm writing a new one
[22:23] <Kat> a tattoo, Lindsey?
[22:23] <FTL_Ian> :P
[22:23] <MichaelEdelstein> How's contributions, with the new messages
on the website?
[22:23] <jsorens> writing lte's, posting flyers, handing out brochures
at events, and talking to friends are still extremely effective ways of getting
the word out that don't cost (much) money
[22:23] <stpeter> is The Quill still being published?
[22:23] <JonM> jason: I tried to recruit Barbara Anderson, of Citizens
for Limited Taxation and Government...no luck so far, she hasn't given up on MA
[22:23] <Lindsey> Oh Jesus...who's doing the recording for the new
[22:23] <jsorens> yes, the quill is coming back! it was in hiatus for
a couple of months as the editor moved to nh.
[22:23] <jnoyes> can we make FSP bumper stickers?
[22:23] <FTL_Ian> I highly suggest all porcs call all their prospects
again, post election, and ask them to join again.
[22:24] <Lindsey> No, not a tatto, just a piece of paper taped to my
[22:24] <Lindsey> :-P
[22:24] <stpeter> jsorens: super!
[22:24] <FTL_Ian> You'll be shocked at your success rate.
[22:24] <Lindsey> Tattoo, either
[22:24] <freedomfred> I'll have to give some thought to how to reach
Libertarian-minded folks on line using SEO techniques.
[22:24] <jsorens> contributions were very good in our recent campaign.
we have a decent amount in our bank account for ads, press releases, &
[22:24] <JonM> I don't ever recall getting anything that would suggest
they sold their mailing list though
[22:25] <jsorens> obviously, doing radio & tv seriously would
require us to take fundraising to the next level.
[22:25] <Lindsey> I kind of like Ian's terrible FSP spots
[22:25] <JonM> jason: nah, you just need to be arrested in a
tremendous scandal, plenty of TV and radio coverage then
[22:25] <stpeter> I think the thing that will really start to pull in
recruits is some practical, on-the-ground results in NH (even of a preliminary
[22:25] <Lindsey> :-P
[22:25] <FTL_Ian> Lindsey, I didn't write them
[22:25] <Lindsey> I just love Free Talk Live, because I'm a dork
[22:26] <JonM> hey karl
[22:26] <MichaelEdelstein> stpeter: we've had a few.
[22:26] <jsorens> no publicity is bad publicity, right? ;)
[22:26] <Kat> hi Karl
[22:26] <Lindsey> Oh you didn't write that horridness?
[22:26] <stpeter> bbiab
[22:26] <Lindsey> :-P
[22:26] <Karl_Beisel> Hi folks.
[22:26] <jaqeboy> hey Karl
[22:26] <Lindsey> Well they were still likeable in that awful way
[22:26] <Lindsey> Lol
[22:26] <freedomfred> Hello
[22:26] <jsorens> well i gotta go. nice chatting with you all!
[22:26] <Lindsey> But it would make it better of you wrote them
[22:26] <Lindsey> :-P
[22:26] <MichaelEdelstein> Bye, Jason.
[22:26] <Kat> 'night Jason
[22:26] <JonM> exactly jason, and that would have legs, "Yale
professor and founder of the Free State Project arrested at local farm in
questionable circumstances, more at 11"
[22:27] <Lindsey> if*
[22:27] <Lindsey> Jesus...someone should cut off my hands
[22:27] <jsorens> 'night
[22:27] <FTL_Ian> goodnight
Q & A with FSP early movers 01/13/05
Here's a transcript of the chat that took place:
17:05:32 [RussellK] I see we have had some people come and go already
17:07:32 [katdillon] Howdy
17:07:38 [erich] Hi
17:07:53 [katdillon] how goes?
17:07:55 [erich] I see things are going a little slow here in the
17:07:59 [erich] well
17:08:26 [katdillon] We were a little late...watching The Manchurian
17:08:32 [RussellK] it always does
17:08:37 [erich] Hah!
17:08:53 [erich] I want to see that one, but seem to onle see about 2 new
films a year.
17:08:56 [RussellK] we haven't gotten people use to the idea yet of our
17:09:14 [RussellK] we were watching the old version
17:09:37 [erich] Well, do you see most of the Granite Staters in person
17:09:49 [katdillon] fairly often
17:10:02 [katdillon] we met last night, seeing people all weekend
17:10:10 [erich] Oh, well. I am looking forward to seeing how the new one
17:10:46 [erich] That is awesome. I cannot wait to get up there in March.
17:10:52 [katdillon] Haven't seen the new one yet
17:10:54 [erich] Especially to see people.
17:11:03 [RussellK] where are you moving to?
17:11:03 [katdillon] Cool
17:11:20 [erich] I went to the Liberty Dinner in June, as you may
17:11:28 [erich] but did not really mingle that much.
17:11:33 [katdillon] Yep
17:11:46 [RussellK] so is this bluelu?
17:11:46 [erich] Oh, I will be up for the week
17:11:49 [erich] before town elections
17:11:58 [erich] just to help and to scope out property.
17:12:02 [katdillon] We'll have a huge TX contingent!
17:12:09 [RussellK] the guy that roped me into his schemes on the forum?
17:12:17 [erich] My current favorite town is Greenfield
17:12:26 [erich] just the other side of Peterborough from Keene
17:12:38 [erich] Shhhhh!
17:12:55 [erich] I did not think it was that schemy
17:13:06 [erich] Maybe someone has been posing as me.
17:13:10 [RussellK] I was too easy
17:13:24 [katdillon] I'll say
17:13:34 [erich] LOL
17:13:44 [erich] Have you ever heard about Don Gorman's talk?
17:13:55 [erich] About any good that may have come out of it?
17:13:58 [katdillon] I didn't hear what happend, no
17:14:17 [katdillon] Did hear he was thinking of doing another one on the
17:14:23 [erich] K
17:14:45 [erich] I may have to go to help my wife do some A/V editing on
17:14:54 [erich] So, if I just stop responding. Please forgive
17:14:58 [katdillon] okie dokie
17:15:05 [katdillon] no problem
17:16:37 [RussellK] so Greenfield huh?
17:16:55 [erich] Dave Mincin seems to be getting a thing or two done.
17:17:03 [erich] speaking of the Seacoast
17:17:08 [katdillon] I went out to Greenfield to dance one night
17:17:10 [erich] Greeenfield. Yeah.
17:17:15 [katdillon] Dave's great
17:17:17 [erich] It just looked beautiful.
17:17:25 [katdillon] they have a contra dance there
17:17:28 [erich] Even the village center is very rural.
17:17:32 [katdillon] *nods*
17:17:36 [erich] Contras????
17:17:38 [RussellK] Dave Mincin is our archrival for incoming porcs
17:17:46 [erich] Oh, not like in El Salv...
17:17:50 [katdillon] Not terribly far from Peterborough
17:17:55 [katdillon] no
17:17:55 [erich] Oh wait, we figured thatone out.
17:18:14 [katdillon] kinda like old fashioned sqare dancing, but in a
17:18:24 [erich] Well, I may sleep a night on his floor. I am trying to
get an interview with a Portsmouth outfit.
17:18:49 [katdillon] Many people have spent the night on Dave's floor and
lived to tell the tale
17:18:55 [erich] I looked it up, and found where they do it around here
once a month, but they finish so late....
17:19:04 [erich] We pumpkinize early.
17:19:14 [katdillon] me too
17:19:18 [erich] I hear the smoke is thinner down there.
17:19:24 [erich] ...on Dave's floor.
17:19:31 [katdillon] lol
17:19:40 [erich] Just a joke. I used to smoke, and it really does not
17:20:01 [katdillon] Did you meet Dave?
17:20:25 [erich] We visited Dover and Portsmouth in June, and really
liked it, but The Monadnock
17:20:35 [erich] countryside really beconed us.
17:20:42 [erich] I did NOT meet dave.
17:20:57 [erich] But, he offered good advice on where to stay and eat
before we got there.
17:21:10 [katdillon] cool
17:21:21 [katdillon] he's a helpful sort
17:21:23 [erich] I asked the favor of a free space on his floor a few
weeks ago, when I finalized plans to come in March.
17:21:44 [erich] At the time, I thought that all municipal elections were
17:21:53 [katdillon] I think he likes the company
17:21:58 [erich] but that does not seem to be the case. It seems that the
"Cities" are in Jan.
17:22:10 [erich] Like Keene, right????
17:22:14 [katdillon] We just found out that next march in keene will be
the school board election
17:22:30 [katdillon] they were november
17:22:49 [erich] Oh, wow! I guess, each city chooses when city elections
17:22:52 [erich] Back in minute.
17:22:55 [katdillon] A guy from the local school board came to our
meeting last night
17:29:47 [RussellK] PatK to the rescue
17:30:15 [E_Clay10] hello
17:30:24 [RussellK] hello
17:30:25 [PatK] huh?
17:30:36 [RussellK] are you guys a little early for the FSP chat?
17:30:42 [PatK] hi all
17:30:50 [RussellK] hello
17:30:53 [PatK] yep
17:30:53 [erich] Do you know of any good candidates? I am still in
search of work to do while I am in NH Mar. 1-8.
17:31:11 [E_Clay10] I would like to know if there are any Objectivists
involved with FSP?
17:31:30 [RussellK] lots
17:31:42 [RussellK] and some that hate objectivits
17:31:46 [erich] Good to see you, Clay. I noticed your posts from Western
17:31:53 [RussellK] and some that don't know what that word means
17:32:13 [E_Clay10] thanx
17:32:15 [erich] I became a Rand fan at age 14.
17:32:30 [erich] Introduced by an unwitting public school English
17:32:30 [E_Clay10] actually southeastern MI
17:32:40 [E_Clay10] City of Westland
17:32:42 [erich] Yikes. My memory may be bad.
17:32:51 [erich] AHHHHH! I see.
17:33:04 [erich] "Wasteland" Yes.
17:33:11 [E_Clay10] near Detroit
17:33:20 [E_Clay10] yep
17:33:22 [PatK] I guess I would be a very small o objectivst
17:34:10 [E_Clay10] that's pronounced nihilist
17:34:27 [erich] I have several friens near Detroit, but alas no
Objectivists, nor libertarians.
17:34:36 [erich] LOL
17:34:42 [PatK] and there you go
17:34:49 [E_Clay10] me too
17:35:16 [E_Clay10] wish there was more
17:35:27 [erich] I can lay my hands on the Objectivists in central Texas,
17:35:35 [erich] for the NH contingent....
17:35:46 [E_Clay10] here in the People's state of MI
17:36:22 [erich] I will have to defer. I am really stretching my
legitimacy in any NH group.
17:37:01 [E_Clay10] What do you mean?
17:37:19 [katdillon] hi people
17:37:29 [RussellK] there is an objectivist group in concord nh headed by
a FSP guy
17:37:54 [katdillon] I know a bunch of objectivist in nashua
17:38:00 [katdillon] s
17:38:20 [erich] If you are asking about me. I think that the best use of
my time is getting involved in NH activity, and getting there a couple times a
year, which I will be doing for a week just before town elections in March.
17:38:21 [E_Clay10] I read something like that a year ago then could
never find it again.
17:38:24 [katdillon] Amanda's an objectivist...she's just down by Boston
17:38:47 [erich] Hopefully moving this summer, but that is contingent on
a job, or a wealthy relative dying.
17:38:49 [katdillon] hello
17:38:49 [E_Clay10] ok
17:38:56 [E_Clay10] hello
17:39:05 [katdillon] What do you do, erich?
17:39:13 [PatK] those little s's just wont stay were you wan't them will
17:39:25 [erich] Software engineer.
17:39:28 [katdillon] you could ask Mike Lorrey....he talks to all those
17:39:32 [RussellK] man we hate that "we made the move" story that
includes the rich relative died story
17:39:39 [katdillon] I must be slurring them
17:39:51 [pliny] Would someone tell me what the job market is like for
teachers? ( I would prefer to work in a private or parochial school)
17:39:57 [erich] You are just WAY too uptight, Russ
17:40:05 [katdillon] haha
17:40:10 [E_Clay10] Mike Lorrey?
17:40:25 [katdillon] that's one word I've never associated with Russell!
17:40:26 [erich] An objectivist?
17:40:26 [RussellK] I don't know about teacher jobs
17:40:33 [katdillon] I think so
17:40:38 [katdillon] want his email?
17:40:48 [RussellK] there seems to be a high percentage of private
schools in our area of Keene
17:40:50 [erich] I only know about teachers of the deaf jobs.
17:40:53 [E_Clay10] yes please
17:41:20 [RussellK] I don't know about the rest
17:41:27 [katdillon] ok just a sec (sec sec, not sex...man, typos these
17:41:57 [erich] Do you know of a web presence for the Nashua
objectivists? I would think it would be a nexus, since it is the easiest access
17:42:19 [katdillon] email@example.com
17:42:29 [katdillon] mike lorrey knows them
17:42:29 [erich] That is actually where the Boston-area Linux Users group
met, last I checked.
17:42:30 [E_Clay10] thanx
17:42:40 [katdillon] I went to a party with them, I'm sorry to say
17:43:25 [katdillon] there is a big linux users group in nashua
17:43:36 [RussellK] I wish we had a linux user group in Keene
17:43:51 [katdillon] start one
17:43:53 [RussellK] hello wildboar
17:43:57 [wildboar] Nice to login and see people online.
17:44:08 [RussellK] to busy fighting the government
17:44:19 [katdillon] hi boar
17:44:24 [PatK] Keene seems to be the black hole of NH you visit and
17:44:30 [RussellK] the official FSP chat starts at 9pm
17:44:31 [E_Clay10] is everyone here already in NH?
17:44:42 [RussellK] we like to chat for the hour before
17:44:43 [katdillon] yes, come to the dark side
17:44:46 [RussellK] I am
17:44:55 [katdillon] russell and I are in NH
17:45:07 [RussellK] you have to visit Keene last because you will never
17:45:11 [E_Clay10] one day
17:45:14 [PatK] I stayed ib Keene for a few days after theporcfest and
17:45:20 [PatK] in even
17:45:25 [katdillon] but you escaped
17:45:32 [RussellK] yes PatK you must move here
17:45:36 [RussellK] it is your destiny
17:45:36 [katdillon] it's supposed to be like Hotel California
17:45:48 [PatK] YEA but not happy about it
17:45:54 [RussellK] lets see patk is not in NH
17:46:05 [RussellK] erich is not here yet
17:46:11 [katdillon] it calls you, just like Bali hai
17:46:34 [katdillon] can you hear it calling you?
17:46:45 [wildboar] I just visited NH for the first time over New Years
holiday just to check things out. Drove top to bottom. Liked Jackson.
17:46:59 [RussellK] hmmm
17:47:02 [PatK] though I have never lived far from the ocean, I don't
know how that would be
17:47:08 [katdillon] Great
17:47:12 [katdillon] Where's Jackson?
17:47:19 [katdillon] Dry
17:47:20 [RussellK] what did you like about Jackson
17:47:42 [E_Clay10] I lived in Portland ME for a few months in '00 and
drove through NH it took maybe 30 minutes
17:47:43 [wildboar] Jackson is north of N. Conway
17:48:12 [katdillon] small state
17:48:30 [E_Clay10] yep
17:48:34 [katdillon] oh, I've been through there then. I liked conway &
17:48:49 [RussellK] we have people from the seacoast come to keene
meetings and viceversa
17:49:14 [RussellK] This is the closest I have ever lived to the ocean
17:49:35 [katdillon] I lived a block from the beach in CA
17:49:40 [wildboar] Jackson is a very picturesque (sp) clean town. Pretty
tightly controled place.
17:50:15 [katdillon] lots of picturesque towns here!
17:50:21 [RussellK] you like cute little towns then you move there and
try to build a house ....ouch
17:50:23 [katdillon] It's soooo much prettier than TX
17:50:35 [E_Clay10] all right folks nice to meet you all. Live free or
17:50:46 [wildboar] I thought Conway and N. Conway were rediculous. It
took about 20 minutes just to drive through town because of the traffic and
there is just one main street.
17:50:52 [PatK] Well Iguees it's what about an hour and a half from Keene
to the sea coast
17:51:15 [erich] Erich is also getting pulled into mastering some video
for deaf students an the moment.
17:51:20 [RussellK] a little more
17:51:22 [katdillon] oh bummer...wasn't like that when I went through, so
maybe didn't get a good feel for them
17:51:27 [PatK] I drive anhour to montauk to fish here alot so ne big
17:51:36 [katdillon] 2.25 hrs
17:51:54 [PatK] more than I thought
17:52:07 [katdillon] 2.2507
17:52:23 [katdillon] he called me 'digital girl' can you believe that?
17:52:37 [RussellK] we are about 2 hours from boston harbor
17:52:45 [RussellK] not any faster to get to the NH coast
17:52:54 [katdillon] 2.37 hrs
17:53:09 [wildboar] What is the big attraction to Keene that I'm hearing
17:53:16 [PatK] yea but who the hell wants to drive through Boston
17:53:34 [katdillon] no I
17:53:46 [erich] I've got to think that things are more staid in NH than
TX, just because of the extra 200 years of settlement.
17:53:56 [katdillon] It's not too small, not too big, and it's a hotbed
17:54:08 [PatK] I thought Manhatten was bad till I went to Boston
17:54:22 [RussellK] Keene is not too expensive and we live here
17:54:30 [katdillon] Boston = hello on earth
17:54:39 [katdillon] hell
17:54:44 [katdillon] I can't type tonight
17:54:45 [RussellK] we are getting more than our fair share of porcupines
here in Keene
17:55:15 [canaan] greetings....
17:55:18 [PatK] And Keene has a wallmart lol
17:55:18 [katdillon] I guess we're meeting in this chatroom tonight for
the FSP chat
17:55:25 [RussellK] hello
17:55:32 [PatK] I love the evil Wal-mart
17:55:38 [wildboar] Is there something in particular that the porcupines
have done in Keene?
17:55:49 [canaan] just recently found out about porcupines thru a gun
17:56:03 [katdillon] We're in the process of starting a liberty oriented
17:56:25 [katdillon] check out nhunderground.com there's a bunch of stuff
17:56:36 [katdillon] that's great, canaan
17:56:37 [RussellK] oh evan nappen got to you.....canaan
17:56:43 [RussellK] he is a good guy
17:56:59 [canaan] yup... russell
17:57:01 [wildboar] That's nice to start a school. has tuittion been
17:57:04 [katdillon] Do you have questions about the free state project,
17:57:22 [canaan] interesting that even WEST WING had NH on the program
17:57:26 [katdillon] no. it's going to be indivual classes at first
17:57:37 [katdillon] cool. what was on west wing?
17:57:46 [RussellK] west wing ....nh?
17:57:56 [wildboar] So how do you make money with the school?
17:58:14 [canaan] kat... the concept sounds intriguing, the main question
is viable employment. The company I work for has an office in Dover NH, I have
to research openings
17:58:19 [katdillon] right now the individual instructors are charging
17:58:35 [canaan] wifey (madmoon) is a banker, so she should be set
17:58:45 [katdillon] oh that's great! Dover is nice. davemincin is in
17:58:58 [katdillon] hi madmoon
17:59:08 [madmoon] howdy kat
17:59:12 [canaan] have to take a vacation there to check things out. LOVE
seafood, should be fun
17:59:14 [katdillon] hi scott
17:59:22 [ScottRoth] Hey folks.
17:59:32 [PatK] yea last night on west wing the had the canadatesgoing to
the dump and stuff in NH to talk to votters and then went on to belittle the
folks and promote a 240 day school year like a 180 days in state jail are not
17:59:34 [wildboar] So is the school a formal thing now, I mean can one
sign-up and go to it?
17:59:37 [davemincin] hi Kat looks like u have all well in hand
17:59:38 [madmoon] hubby is trying to sell me on the idea of moving to NH
17:59:39 [ScottRoth] Hi Kat.
17:59:52 [katdillon] We're still in the process of getting the school
18:00:05 [katdillon] Have you ever been to NH, madmoon?
18:00:07 [ScottRoth] Can't wait...
18:00:33 [madmoon] no we've not
18:00:33 [canaan] would be nice to have schools teach kids to learn, as
opposed to teaching them to conform...
18:00:36 [RussellK] there are questions for you davemincin...about the
18:00:58 [davemincin] ok shoot
18:01:16 [katdillon] You're so right! We're planning some night classes
for adults, and some day classes supporting homeschoolers
18:01:16 [madmoon] we have been to maryland tho.... there's an awesome
sheep and wool festival there every may
18:01:25 [wildboar] Have any of you looked into the viability of actually
making a profit from a private school?
18:01:39 [PatK] whats the volicty of a swallow carrying a coconut?
18:01:45 [katdillon] A profit was one of the ideas
18:01:47 [canaan] madmoon would like nothing better than having an
alpaca/sheep farm with related crafting projects
18:02:03 [RussellK] a private school can make money
18:02:03 [katdillon] NH is so beautiful. I'm so happy I left TX
18:02:23 [canaan] how long have you been in NH?
18:02:30 [davemincin] if u r in Maryland would suggest u look up Kate and
18:02:32 [katdillon] about 7 months
18:02:33 [ScottRoth] We need more sheep farms.
18:02:36 [RussellK] ok davem patk had a question for you
18:02:38 [wildboar] So do you have a business plan for the private
18:03:08 [davemincin] go
18:03:12 [katdillon] Seems like a good place to farm
18:03:37 [RussellK] the instructors rent out the classes and charge what
they want, so we all make our own plans
18:03:39 [FTL_Ian] Well look at that, a whole other room
18:03:42 [FTL_Ian] hello all
18:03:45 [PatK] never mind pay no attention to Pat he is just a smart ass
18:03:45 [canaan] LOL, don't know if the alpaca and sheep would like the
business I'd like to start.... (shooting range)
18:03:45 [JonM] you on air, or is this time warp hour still ian?
18:03:50 [FTL_Ian] Kat, did you get my last email about your server
18:03:50 [katdillon] No. None of us are real business people. We're
starting small and working our way into it
18:03:51 [RussellK] hello ian
18:04:04 [FTL_Ian] On air
18:04:09 [FTL_Ian] 2 mins till live
18:04:26 [katdillon] Yes, Ian. The URL seems to work as is
18:04:42 [katdillon] When I tried to change the forum, terrible,
unspeakable things happened
18:04:46 [canaan] ommygod, we're not live????
18:04:56 [FTL_Ian] Oh, yes it works, but the config leaves something to
be desired that *most* poeple won't notice
18:05:00 [RussellK] lol
18:05:04 [katdillon] Not ian
18:05:21 [katdillon] So nice of you to set it up for me!
18:05:32 [PatK] IM live
18:05:32 [FTL_Ian] so, if you can't config the way I suggested, it's not
a huge deal... they do work as is.
18:05:50 [FTL_Ian] Yes, so now next time you're on the radio for an hour,
it should be a little smoother.
18:06:37 [katdillon] Yes! If that ever happens again
18:06:39 [RussellK] hello nick
18:06:41 [katdillon] hi Nick
18:07:10 [RussellK] so any really tough questions about NH .....except
18:07:19 [Nick] hello
18:07:26 [RussellK] We have davemincin who represents Dover
18:07:33 [RussellK] Kat and I from Keene
18:07:44 [RussellK] Scott roth from peterborough
18:07:58 [canaan] if it's not to much trouble, how bout a quick and dirty
run thru about the project, goals, and method of operation .... Russell
18:08:04 [canaan] *S*
18:08:10 [RussellK] JonM from nearby MA
18:08:27 [JonM] pity me
18:08:31 [Nick] Russ, when do the monad porcs meet?
18:08:33 [RussellK] we want lots of liberty loving people to move to NH
18:08:49 [ScottRoth] Won't be for long, right Jon?
18:08:54 [katdillon] 2nd wednesday of the month
18:08:58 [MiclEdlstn] Is Ben Franklin here today? If not, who's attaching
his corny quotes to my name?
18:09:00 [canaan] yes yes....
18:09:07 [RussellK] and do what we can to make NH the most wonderful
place in america for liberty
18:09:15 [JonM] well can't move for most of 2005
18:09:21 [Nick] Not a good night for me, but I could try to make it
18:09:34 [canaan] not to sound like a wet blanket, but that's sort of the
tail wagging the dog
18:09:37 [ScottRoth] Closer than you think, though...
18:09:57 [katdillon] Great
18:10:06 [canaan] worst case scenario, are we talking succession?
18:10:07 [RussellK] the official goals for the FSP are on the website
18:10:19 [Nick] Thanks for the link Kat
18:10:27 [ScottRoth] More like success!
18:10:41 [RussellK] depends on what happens...the FSP is just about
getting people together
18:10:52 [MiclEdlstn] Hi, Dave!
18:10:54 [Nick] I'm not sure secession is an amiable path
18:10:55 [katdillon] Not planning on secession. Plan to work within the
18:10:57 [JonM] secession is unlikely
18:11:03 [RussellK] I wouldn't mind suceeding myself
18:11:09 [canaan] in listening to an interview that KAT did (downloaded
from your website) this project seems very loose
18:11:10 [RussellK] seceeed
18:11:17 [JonM] don't want to be invaded by Canada!
18:11:34 [madmoon] but they're so polite LOL
18:11:35 [RussellK] very loose
18:11:40 [katdillon] The project is to get 20,000 people interested in
limited government to move here
18:11:44 [RussellK] loose enough for you to join
18:11:45 [canaan] LOL, I just invited a cANADIAN friend to join us in
this chat room... look for PARCENON....
18:11:56 [Nick] Are there any movers with questions?
18:12:00 [PatK] it is damn I better deactivate those strtigic blast
charges and cancel the tug boats that were gonna pull us out ot sea
18:12:11 [katdillon] lol PatK
18:12:13 [canaan] LOL russell... be careful, 'ye hardly know me'
18:12:20 [JonM] maine woulda been a better choice for that
18:12:27 [Nick] Actually neighboring Quebec is close to secession from
18:12:29 [davemincin] hi michael
18:12:30 [RussellK] see ....that is how it works
18:12:32 [JonM] NH is a tight squeeze to get through 19 miles of
18:13:26 [RussellK] Quebec was one of the inspirations for the FSP
18:13:28 [canaan] it will be interesting to see if the power brokers in
washington will 'allow' the constitution and declaration of independence to
make it back into popularity....
18:13:30 [ScottRoth] NIce views, though...
18:13:46 [canaan] afterall, Uncle Sam is here to help and protect us....
18:13:47 [davemincin] we SC are about networking with NH liberty
groups...and making welcome as many of the new folks as possible
18:13:50 [Nick] was it really?
18:14:01 [katdillon] They're banned in CA public schools
18:14:14 [erich] Yes, Quebec and other seperatist movements.
18:14:22 [katdillon] Yes, Nick
18:14:42 [JonM] one teacher
18:14:46 [Nick] The power broker have less power than they claim to
18:14:57 [JonM] who is making a big stink about it and getting some air
18:14:58 [davemincin] We hear to talk about NH or just chat about
18:15:10 [Nick] ell quebec is a logical inspiration for decentralization
18:15:12 [katdillon] talk about NH
18:15:17 [erich] Does anybody have a link to Jason's article in LE.
18:15:32 [katdillon] ya just a sec
18:15:36 [davemincin] thanks
18:15:45 [RussellK] hey davem how much does it cost for a 4 bedroom house
18:16:00 [JonM] hahahah...who is this manwich person ian?
18:16:18 [FTL_Ian] My co-host
18:16:23 [davemincin] expect were in the coast, closer the the water the
18:16:27 [katdillon] Are you listening to FTL?
18:16:34 [JonM] that much I know
18:16:40 [JonM] but where did you dig him up?
18:16:41 [davemincin] would say for the most part ur talking a couple
18:16:43 [madmoon] also, what kind of RE taxes are we talking for a house
18:16:55 [FTL_Ian] Someday you could meet him
18:16:56 [PatK] a sandwich is a sandwich but a manwitch is a meal
18:16:58 [davemincin] or close to it
18:16:59 [RussellK] prices are cheaper in Keene that I thought they would
18:17:06 [erich] see ya
18:17:09 [katdillon] taxes vary from town to town
18:17:41 [RussellK] how much is it for a 2 bedroom apartment in Dover
18:17:41 [FTL_Ian] Hey Underground, are you going to hang and burn a
Bureaucrat Shultz effigy?
18:17:49 [FTL_Ian] Inquiring minds want to know
18:18:03 [katdillon] Not planning on it
18:18:06 [RussellK] ian - you never know what people might do
18:18:23 [Nick] The towns around urban areas tend to have lower taxes
than the population centers themselves.
18:18:32 [PatK] Dave how much is a six pack of smuttynose beer?
18:18:45 [katdillon] ew
18:18:47 [davemincin] $800-$1000
18:18:53 [RussellK] hmmm
18:19:02 [JonM] I'll guess $6 without having bought smuttynose in years
18:19:04 [katdillon] expensive beer
18:19:07 [PatK] ew?
18:19:10 [davemincin] heck 5 bucks when u find the deals
18:19:30 [katdillon] smuttynose? makes me think of someone with a cold
18:19:44 [FTL_Ian] If you announce it (perhaps during the 25th protest)
18:19:45 [madmoon] lol
18:19:46 [JonM] microbrew
18:19:50 [FTL_Ian] we'll talk about it
18:19:52 [canaan] I have visions of porcupines wandering around aimlessly
18:19:54 [PatK] o-k theese things are important you know
18:19:59 [RussellK] has anyone heard Dada Orwells impersonation of Dave
18:20:02 [Nick] Micro brew is overated anyway
18:20:07 [MiclEdlstn] Dave, may I ask you a q about living in NH?
18:20:11 [RussellK] It is to die for
18:20:29 [katdillon] why aimlessly?
18:20:32 [PatK] lol
18:20:32 [PattyE] Hi everyone
18:20:42 [davemincin] I'm paying $650 for a studio, internet cable,
phone, utilities included
18:20:45 [RussellK] step right up....your NH ?s answered here
18:20:46 [katdillon] hi patty
18:20:46 [PatK] aDave impersonator
18:20:49 [davemincin] yes go
18:20:49 [JonM] good beer rocks.
18:20:57 [ScottRoth] Hi Patty
18:21:03 [MiclEdlstn] What was the biggest surprise for you after you
18:21:05 [Nick] Amen Jon
18:21:07 [JonM] but they even brew bud in the free state if you're into
18:21:08 [PattyE] how about Red Hook Nitro?
18:21:16 [madmoon] that sounds kinda high for that small an apartment,
18:21:17 [katdillon] beer has rocks in it?
18:21:27 [PatK] Dave are you still allowed to smoke in bars?
18:21:39 [katdillon] the seacoast is more expensive
18:21:40 [davemincin] not really covers all costs...and is month to month
18:21:51 [PatK] Bud is good to clean floors with
18:21:53 [davemincin] yes...smoking the the bars call
18:22:09 [Nick] Not in Keene Dave
18:22:17 [katdillon] hi billy
18:22:19 [RussellK] I was surprised at how friendly the people in NH are
18:22:24 [Nick] Some towns are pushing bans
18:22:42 [davemincin] michael my biggest suprise was the warm welcome we
recieved, and how much the natives appreciated our help
18:22:50 [JonM] I do believe the towns were smacked down when they
enacted a ban
18:23:04 [JonM] by the state...go figure
18:23:04 [canaan] It's my understanding that you can live in the New
England states for decades, and still be considered an 'outsider'
18:23:06 [PattyE] there's a pub in Kingston that has a sign out front
18:23:09 [katdillon] Yes, Dave! the natives do appreciate our help
18:23:09 [jgmaynard] Hey HEY!
18:23:14 [RussellK] oh no jim
18:23:15 [MiclEdlstn] Were these non-libertarian natives?
18:23:19 [PatK] IM surprised every time I leave the NY metro area how
nice people are
18:23:26 [RussellK] and we were already talking about beer
18:23:32 [jgmaynard] Depends hwo you act, Canaan. LOL
18:23:34 [katdillon] So they say, canaan. I haven't had anyone tell me I
was an outsider yet
18:23:40 [RussellK] yes non-libertarian
18:23:44 [davemincin] seems that the locals look at us as the
reinforcements and are most happy to have us on board
18:23:45 [katdillon] Hiya jim
18:23:48 [jgmaynard] Oh no! Russ!
18:23:52 [canaan] that's good to know
18:24:00 [RussellK] I love meeting the anti-big government people in NH
18:24:01 [katdillon] Hi fisher
18:24:02 [JonM] ya gotta go north of the notches
18:24:03 [jgmaynard] hiya Kat, Dave and all!
18:24:18 [Nick] I thought I heard something about smoking bans being
ruled unconstitutional by the state supreme court
18:24:19 [katdillon] We had two natives show up at our meeting last night
to get our help
18:24:26 [davemincin] have talked to many local freedom folks who have
said that we have given much energry to lots of folks who have not be active in
a long time
18:24:29 [MiclEdlstn] Hi, Jim!
18:24:32 [jgmaynard] Those are the people I grew upp around, Russ.....
See what happens? LOL
18:24:35 [ScottRoth] Hi Jim.
18:24:45 [katdillon] That's what I heard, Nick. No one has challenged it
in Keene, I gues
18:24:47 [jgmaynard] Hi!
18:24:48 [katdillon] s
18:24:53 [davemincin] hey jim iron city rocks!
18:24:53 [silverfish] jon, forgive my stupidity, but where exactly are
18:24:58 [RussellK] We had a school board member talking to us yesterday
that figured that 75-80% of Keene like what the FSP represents
18:25:01 [jgmaynard] EACTLY, Kat
18:25:03 [davemincin] be sure to say hello to pat for me
18:25:06 [katdillon] same thing we get here, dave!
18:25:14 [Nick] I', a life long native and I'll admit we dont tend to
like flat lander, but most people are looking forward to seeing the FSP take
18:25:27 [RussellK] man jmaynard is taking credit for NH culture
18:25:29 [davemincin] cool...its incredible!
18:25:32 [jgmaynard] I had a lawyer friend of mine tell me as soon as
anyone even files a case, the ban in Keene gets thrown out.
18:25:38 [katdillon] Cool Nick. whereabouts are you?
18:25:56 [Nick] Hi Jim
18:26:03 [MiclEdlstn] RussellK: what was his view of what we represent?
18:26:05 [canaan] everyone please welcome BILLY to the chat, he's an
authentic cANADIAN (with an open mind)
18:26:11 [jgmaynard] Naw, Russ.... Just making them take credit (or
blame) for mw...
18:26:12 [Nick] Nelson NH, 10 mile north of Keene
18:26:23 [jgmaynard] Hi Nick
18:26:25 [katdillon] Welcome, Billy
18:26:33 [PatK] Hi Billy aye
18:26:34 [katdillon] Oh, we go dancing in Nelson
18:26:35 [Nick] Hi
18:26:36 [ScottRoth] Hi Billy.
18:26:39 [Nick] emember me?
18:26:43 [RussellK] lower taxes and such
18:26:46 [ScottRoth] Contra dancin'.
18:26:47 [billy] hello
18:26:49 [Nick] remember?
18:27:01 [JonM] IAN, here's a url of that guy's story
18:27:09 [MiclEdlstn] Kat: what type of dancing is there in Nelson?
18:27:11 [Nick] Contra dancin I bet kat
18:27:28 [katdillon] Yes, contra
18:27:34 [jgmaynard] So what great mystical questions might I answer? lol
18:27:38 [katdillon] Nelson is really small
18:27:49 [Nick] Jim we met at Keene High School
18:27:55 [RussellK] a real live canadian....are we allowed to talk to him
after Patriot Act II
18:27:57 [PatK] how small is it?
18:27:58 [Nick] I like it up here
18:28:04 [katdillon] Jim, what's the meaning of life, the universe, and
18:28:09 [jgmaynard] I remember Nick. Took me a second, but I did
18:28:13 [jgmaynard] 42
18:28:15 [davemincin] many of us are working on setting up a networking
system so when you get here we can plug you into whatever freedom issue floats
18:28:24 [jgmaynard] The problem is "what is the question?"
18:28:26 [Nick] Safe from the KPD, you ought to see how many cops are out
on main st. at 2 am
18:28:29 [katdillon] there's like 3 buildings in town...it's really cute
18:28:38 [canaan] you have to pay a special tax to talk to cANADIANS
18:28:41 [katdillon] really?
18:29:10 [jgmaynard] There are a lot, but they're mainly looking for the
ones who always get into trouble.
18:29:12 [billy] but it is in canadian dollars
18:29:13 [katdillon] congrats, Jim! you remembered!
18:29:17 [Nick] I tried to makea meeting with the Monadnock libs but you
guys weren't there
18:29:28 [katdillon] canuk tax?
18:29:33 [canaan] and then looking for the ones who don't look like
us..... and so on
18:29:38 [RussellK] Michael - all you need to know about NH is that Jim
Maynard actually receives votes for city council each election
18:29:47 [canaan] actually, it's the MADCOW part 2 tax
18:29:57 [katdillon] heh
18:29:58 [davemincin] the NHLP state Bo
18:29:58 [jgmaynard] Yeah, don't know why. Our porc meetings are always
great, and no one has shown up to the last couple monadnock libs meetings
18:30:01 [FTL_Ian] Just plugged nhunderground.com on air
18:30:14 [jgmaynard] Freightening, isn't it, Russ? lol
18:30:16 [FTL_Ian] There was a young man on named "Ryan" who is in NH
18:30:20 [Nick] 25% Jim, wasn't your total around that?
18:30:23 [jgmaynard] Thanks, Ian!
18:30:25 [FTL_Ian] and has been on the FSP forums
18:30:27 [ScottRoth] Go Ian.
18:30:37 [FTL_Ian] so, hopefully he'll head your way
18:30:42 [katdillon] What kind of networking system are you setting up,
Dave? I'd hoped to provide info on all liberty oriented groups on the
18:30:53 [jgmaynard] I've gone through 4 elections, getting between
18:30:57 [katdillon] hello npkarem
18:30:59 [Nick] I would like to make a meeting but I have two other
commitments the night you meet
18:31:13 [ScottRoth] Hi npkarem.
18:31:21 [Nick] Has the vote % been increasing over that time
18:31:28 [RussellK] commitments were meant to be broken Nick
18:31:34 [PatK] Jim will get more votes if he can get Varrin a 30 foot
assualt drive way
18:31:37 [jgmaynard] up and down.
18:31:45 [npkarem] Hi, just taking a peek
18:31:48 [davemincin] mostly personal contacts...but jane has the
calendar up, contacted to CNHT and GONH, we are also working on a phone tree at
18:31:48 [katdillon] We may get together at other times. you want me to
let you know?
18:31:49 [jgmaynard] At least ONE more, Pat! lol
18:31:56 [Nick] Yeah I may very well break those commitments
18:32:02 [wildboar] Mr. Maynard, what do you need to win?
18:32:19 [Nick] Councilman Coates certainly knows who you are
18:32:23 [katdillon] votes?
18:32:28 [jgmaynard] Mr. Maynard?!?!?? My father is here???? lol
18:32:29 [davemincin] NHLP is also in the loop...as well as the
18:32:35 [jgmaynard] They ALL do, Nick
18:32:40 [katdillon] I think everyone in town knows Jim
18:32:49 [jgmaynard] In any multi-seat race, you need about 40% to win
18:32:50 [ScottRoth] Oh yeah...
18:33:07 [katdillon] The constitution party of monadnock had 30 people
show up the other night!
18:33:13 [wildboar] What do you need to do/have to get 40%?
18:33:14 [JonM] he needs other people to forget to run!
18:33:19 [katdillon] cause that Scott Roth guy rocks
18:33:21 [jgmaynard] Not everyone, Kat. There's one store I haven't been
in yet. lol
18:33:27 [ScottRoth] This thing can only get bigger!
18:33:32 [Nick] Coates isn't a bad guy though his politics leave
something to be desired
18:33:34 [RussellK] lol
18:33:35 [ScottRoth] Thanks Kat.
18:33:45 [PatK] what store is that?
18:34:01 [jgmaynard] door to door activism with nice brouchures is
probably the most effective thing I haven't been able to do
18:34:10 [Nick] I'm not a big fan of the constitution party
18:34:14 [katdillon] More questions about NH?
18:34:20 [ScottRoth] Did anyone say nice brochures?
18:34:24 [jgmaynard] Bingo on Coates, Nick
18:34:28 [wildboar] Why haven't you been able to do the brochures?
18:34:36 [jgmaynard] Matter of fact, Scottt, I DID!
18:34:40 [JonM] mr. maynard did!
18:35:01 [ScottRoth] We need to talk further...
18:35:05 [jgmaynard] Ran out of money before ideas both time, WB....
18:35:07 [katdillon] lol @ "mr. maynard"
18:35:12 [ScottRoth] Happy to help.
18:35:12 [Nick] If you need volunteers to go door to door I can help Jim.
18:35:17 [davemincin] believe we need to find allies were we can and
concentrate on issues rather than labels
18:35:19 [katdillon] Scott does fantastic brochures
18:35:32 [jgmaynard] I spent the money that could have gone to brochures
on refrigerator magnets last time
18:35:37 [katdillon] you're so right, Dave!
18:35:38 [ScottRoth] No complaints...yet.
18:35:40 [jgmaynard] figured they would be seen more.
18:35:41 [canaan] dave..... AGREED !!!
18:35:54 [katdillon] hi otosan
18:35:56 [jgmaynard] Sounds, great, Nick! Thank you!
18:35:56 [Nick] I'd go with brochures next time
18:36:01 [wildboar] How many brochures would you need and what do you
think that would cost?
18:36:04 [otosan] hideho
18:36:10 [ScottRoth] Hi otosan.
18:36:13 [MiclEdlstn] Jim: Is Country Life in Keene still open (terrific
18:36:20 [jgmaynard] Wow.
18:36:22 [Nick] Just a suggestion
18:36:28 [jgmaynard] There's about 10k voters in town.
18:36:37 [ScottRoth] Best vegetarian food around...
18:36:42 [jgmaynard] It is!
18:37:04 [katdillon] wildboar sounds ready for some political action!
18:37:11 [jgmaynard] yeah, I figured brochures would get lost on people's
18:37:13 [Nick] IReally, I've never heard of it actually
18:37:16 [PatK] o-k cross country life of my list
18:37:25 [jgmaynard] where they would USE and continually see a refrig
18:37:28 [katdillon] me neither
18:37:31 [MiclEdlstn] ScottRoth: Do you know of other vegetarian
restaurants in NH?
18:37:47 [katdillon] maybe the people who got magnets last year will vote
for you, after seeing your name all year
18:37:49 [jgmaynard] So 10k brouchures for full coverage.
18:38:00 [Nick] The might not put up the mag though and they must not be
18:38:02 [jgmaynard] Hope so, Kat!
18:38:05 [fisher] stusty's in northwood is vegan too
18:38:14 [ScottRoth] There are 2 I believe in Concord, 1 in Laconia and 1
18:38:34 [jgmaynard] Was about the same $.60 per for 1k, i think
18:38:35 [wildboar] 10K is too many. How much would it cost for 5K?
18:38:52 [jgmaynard] 1 sec
18:38:56 [Nick] I think a lot of us are ready for action, we talk a lot
in this project and I think we want to see something happen
18:39:00 [MiclEdlstn] ScottRoth: How could I get their names?
18:39:35 [wildboar] So what you're saying is that you are short $300???
18:39:41 [ScottRoth] I'll do some research for you. Just leave me your
e-mail and I'll send a reply.
18:39:46 [jgmaynard] $1000 for 10k full color brouchures from the place I
used last time
18:40:09 [canaan] i heard something about inflating property values to
get a higher tax, this is not a good thing, how can it be fought off?
18:40:10 [jgmaynard] Don't say that, Nick.
18:40:19 [RussellK] we run cheap races in NH
18:40:23 [jgmaynard] Kat will break out into Monty Python routines. lol
18:40:33 [MiclEdlstn] DrEdelstein@ThreeMinuteTherapy.com Thanks, Scott!
18:40:37 [katdillon] Me? never
18:40:42 [davemincin] currently working with a Dover tax group to rewrite
the city charter
18:40:49 [PatK] I would like to see that
18:40:56 [jgmaynard] ScottRoth> firstname.lastname@example.org 603-358-5079
18:40:57 [JonM] .10 isn't a terrible price per, but I can print them for
half that on a phaser 7300
18:41:12 [Nick] Monty Python fans, another group I'm proud to be part of
18:41:12 [canaan] excellent,
18:41:24 [madmoon] so that's something that has to be dealt with for each
18:41:26 [davemincin] the big problem is property reassment is suppost to
be revenue neutral, but mostly isn't
18:41:28 [jgmaynard] Cool. Drop me a note, JonM
18:41:33 [katdillon] splitter
18:41:37 [wildboar] Nick is right and what he's saying is true. I mean,
if you guys are serious then you might be better off talking strategy than home
18:41:42 [PatK] some day son all this will be yours = what the curtains?
18:41:42 [JonM] it's my work printer
18:42:02 [JonM] but that's the cost per page not counting the printer
cost (about $6k)
18:42:20 [jgmaynard] JonM> email@example.com 603-358-5079
18:42:34 [Nick] Home brew is a good topic too, I'm just dying to see some
libs take office
18:43:11 [jgmaynard] So we have the town elections happening, and warrant
articles in the city..
18:43:14 [JonM] a phaser 8200 will set you back $1000 for the base model,
$2500 for top of the line, but it's a solid ink printer, 24 pages a minute and
someone could do well printing political stuff on it
18:43:15 [katdillon] Jim, that's a public message you're sending of your
18:43:30 [jgmaynard] Kat. You were going to say something about this?
18:43:31 [ScottRoth] I use a Phaser 850.
18:43:33 [katdillon] do /to person for private messages
18:43:36 [PatK] Im not dead ive feeling much better
18:43:38 [jgmaynard] D'OH!
18:43:52 [madmoon] lol
18:43:54 [katdillon] can you open carry your phaser?
18:43:58 [JonM] sorry, phaser 8400
18:44:06 [jgmaynard] Not a biggie. I know most people here, and it's on
the FSP site anyways. lol
18:44:09 [JonM] I have an 850 at work... SLOW AS A DOG TWO DAYS DEAD
18:44:13 [PatK] and is it set onn stun or kill?
18:44:31 [PatK] thats slow
18:44:33 [JonM] but black ink is free!
18:44:35 [katdillon] that's very picturesque, Jon
18:44:39 [RussellK] now I know you guys aren't serious about freedom who
could joke like that
18:44:45 [jgmaynard] Anyone talk to Dawn or Bill about their campaigns?
18:44:48 [wildboar] OK, so you want a Lib in office...How much money will
it take? We're talking bucks here right? The message is good and there's no
reason for people to be afraid of us.
18:44:48 [Nick] Is there an eligeble person who wants to run for mayor in
18:44:52 [PatK] but still not as slow as the dmv
18:45:04 [JonM] if you can deal with 1 page every 2 minutes doing duplex
18:45:08 [katdillon] Just a little. Dawn was apparently out smoozing last
18:45:13 [jgmaynard] Woooooooooooo..
18:45:15 [ScottRoth] Hi 2Hotel9.
18:45:24 [jcpliberty] Good Evening all!
18:45:24 [ScottRoth] Hey Jim.
18:45:32 [2Hotel9] Howdy, I just found you guys.
18:45:33 [canaan] ... now we'll see who will be kind or cruel on his
phone calls.... *scary music goes here*
18:45:33 [davemincin] talked to both last weekend think the class we had
in Manchester was real helpful
18:45:33 [katdillon] hi hotel, jp
18:45:37 [jgmaynard] There's at least one person (a former councilman)
who I would LOVE to see run for mayor
18:45:45 [katdillon] what happened at that class, Dave?
18:45:47 [Nick] Money is the one thing we lackbut I'm not a millionaire
so I can't help
18:45:50 [ScottRoth] Glad you found us...
18:45:53 [JonM] hey jim, register any domains today?
18:45:55 [jgmaynard] I know she got burnt out on politics a couple years
18:45:57 [jcpliberty] I see Jim Maynard on, so I am JP for the evening.
Hi Jim! Hey Scott, Kat and everyone.
18:46:03 [Nick] What's their name Jim
18:46:15 [2Hotel9] Was kicking around in Milblogs. Someone pointed me
18:46:23 [PatK] I played lotto if I win I will let ya know
18:46:28 [jgmaynard] Nancy Wilkinson. Not sure if she;d run, though
18:46:45 [katdillon] Are you interested in the Free State Project,
18:46:51 [Nick] Well it's all up to her
18:46:57 [katdillon] good plan, Pat
18:47:01 [jgmaynard] If she DID, she'd be fully worthy of our support.
18:47:04 [RussellK] man I only rate as an "everyone"
18:47:19 [jgmaynard] AND would stand a good chance at winning.
18:47:19 [jcpliberty] No, not yet. I will get to the domain registration
in the morning.
18:47:23 [ScottRoth] Awwww.....
18:47:26 [jcpliberty] Hi Russell!
18:47:26 [Nick] Is she an LP member or not?
18:47:29 [2Hotel9] Have not heard much more than the name. I'm in PA.
18:47:35 [davemincin] mostly we went over how to run for office in small
towns...lots of offices crying to have someone run for them, much easier to get
elected that the cities, and get your name out there for bigger things later
18:47:45 [jgmaynard] Nope. A friendly Benson-esque Republican
18:48:07 [katdillon] The Free State Project is a plan in which 20,000 or
more liberty-oriented people will move to New Hampshire, where they may work
within the political system to reduce the size and scope of government. The
success of the Free State Project would likely entail reductions in burdensome
18:48:16 [JonM] non scandal ridden I would hope
18:48:23 [katdillon] and regulation, reforms in state and local law, an
end to federal mandates, and a restoration of constitutional federalism,
demonstrating the benefits of liberty to the rest of the nation and the world.
18:48:24 [jcpliberty] Hi, 2Hotel9, billy, canaan, Dave, fisher, Ian, Jon,
madmoon, MiclEdlstn, Nick, otosan, Pat, PattyE, PrickleNH, silverfish, viscid
18:48:24 [Nick] You're right on dave we could win a lot of uncontested
races in the hick towns
18:48:26 [ScottRoth] You copied...
18:48:32 [RussellK] this is for fun 2hotel9 have to go to
http://www.freestateproject.org for the official stuff
18:48:37 [jcpliberty] There!
18:48:48 [Nick] Benson was great
18:48:49 [katdillon] Yes, I'm lazy
18:48:56 [silverfish] JP you are the guy who is going to escape from
mass, correct? when will that occur
18:48:58 [jgmaynard] Even in cities like Keene, many of the smaller
offices (selectman, etc) doesn't even have enough people running to fill the
seats, and NO ONE runs a campaign for those offices
18:49:00 [katdillon] I'm hoping for some scandal
18:49:02 [Nick] For a repub
18:49:02 [PattyE] Hi JP!
18:49:06 [PatK] might not want to say hick towns though kinda turns off
18:49:08 [katdillon] hi margomaps
18:49:14 [ScottRoth] But you're quick about it...
18:49:22 [ScottRoth] Hi margomaps
18:49:22 [jgmaynard] MArgo!
18:49:25 [davemincin] catch u Saturday JP
18:49:26 [jcpliberty] Sunday is the official charade. been here since
18:49:33 [RussellK] no more HI JP from me....no sirree
18:49:37 [katdillon] Feel free to fire away on any questions you have
18:49:42 [margomaps] hey Scott, jg
18:49:42 [Nick] I'm a hick though so I get to say it
18:49:45 [jcpliberty] Hey margomapos
18:49:55 [katdillon] quickest paste in town
18:49:59 [jcpliberty] Oh shush Russell! LOL
18:50:09 [2Hotel9] I am politicaly active here. Lotsa heads to smack
18:50:11 [margomaps] is that the Greek spelling of my name, margomapos?
18:50:12 [ScottRoth] Yep
18:50:23 [katdillon] Careful Russell, you'll be sent to the whining forum
18:50:27 [ScottRoth] In the White Mountains.
18:50:29 [katdillon] lol
18:50:36 [RussellK] 2hotel9 - davemincin moved from PA to NH
18:50:38 [silverfish] and hello Jim Maynard!
18:50:45 [PatK] the notches are on Kats gun
18:50:47 [ScottRoth] Up near Mount Washington.
18:50:54 [PattyE] north of Conway
18:50:54 [katdillon] congrats on your decision to join the FSP, silver!
18:50:56 [Nick] where is here hotel?
18:50:59 [ScottRoth] BANG!
18:51:02 [silverfish] i have been up at waterville valley
18:51:04 [jgmaynard] So how can we help Dawn and Bill for the March
18:51:07 [davemincin] a number of folks signed onto run for office
Saturday...will take a bit to get the full count
18:51:11 [katdillon] that's not where *my* notches are
18:51:19 [jcpliberty] Up in the White Mountains, the Kangc is the main
highway, right there in the middle of them.
18:51:21 [2Hotel9] I'm rural. North of Pittsburgh
18:51:30 [silverfish] my mother in law is a new hampshire 'resident' up
18:51:35 [katdillon] I figure we can write a couple letters to the editor
and hand out flyers
18:51:38 [ScottRoth] Hi solomon484
18:51:39 [jcpliberty] Guess what everyone:
18:51:43 [PatK] Im to scared to ask were they are
18:51:46 [jcpliberty] Hi soloman 484
18:51:47 [katdillon] Dave mincin's from the pittsburg area
18:51:50 [davemincin] Jim thinking they will need people to pass out
18:51:55 [katdillon] what jp?
18:51:57 [davemincin] yes that's me
18:52:02 [jcpliberty] I am running for Nashua Alderman this year :-)
18:52:03 [jgmaynard] We have flyers for them?
18:52:06 [Nick] There's a north of Pittsburgh?
18:52:18 [Nick] Pittsburgh NH?
18:52:21 [PatK] lderman?
18:52:27 [jgmaynard] Go jim. Go Jim....
18:52:32 [davemincin] Hotel i lived north of PGH Sharon for quite a
bit..and know most of the area well
18:52:32 [PatK] oops
18:52:35 [Nick] good for you liberty
18:52:37 [RussellK] whatever happened to waiting a few years JP?
18:52:38 [jcpliberty] I bouth myself a copy of the operating budget (yes
they CHARGE for it), a copy of the ordinances and charter
18:52:42 [PatK] whats an Alderman?
18:52:47 [jcpliberty] bought*
18:52:50 [katdillon] Not yet. the election is months away and we don't
even know Bill's last name
18:52:54 [solomon484] Hello.
18:52:56 [jcpliberty] Like a City Councillor
18:53:03 [davemincin] if your still in the area i can put you in touch
with some folks i know there working on putting a group together
18:53:08 [2Hotel9] Yea, its where pittsburghers come to hunt&drink. Or is
18:53:10 [katdillon] wow jp
18:53:11 [jcpliberty] We have Alderman instead.
18:53:11 [PatK] o-k thanks
18:53:21 [ScottRoth] He's still young, Russell.
18:53:34 [jcpliberty] http://www.jimcperry.com
18:53:41 [davemincin] Last note from me was for Hotel
18:53:42 [katdillon] he'll be old, come sunday
18:53:44 [jcpliberty] Well, I got really ticked off today, reading the
18:53:50 [Nick] Oh I though Pittsburgh was a border town, sorry
18:53:58 [RussellK] hope you are running one of those unopposed races JP
18:53:59 [jcpliberty] So, I decided, if not to win, then at least to
educate about the budget.
18:54:06 [jcpliberty] I would run for Alderman
18:54:08 [ScottRoth] whoa, James...
18:54:13 [JonM] jp: what, you'd prefer they print it at taxpayer expense
and give it to you?
18:54:45 [jgmaynard] Reading budgets will do that to ya. lol
18:54:50 [jcpliberty] So, I am running to win, but I would at least like
to educate the public about their budget if I do not win.
18:55:21 [Nick] In a couple years I can run, Yes
18:55:25 [JonM] there's a town somewhere among those stores in nashua?
18:55:32 [jcpliberty] Well no, but they put it on a "One Use Only" CD. I
can download it onto the computer once, but then the CD it self is no good.
18:55:35 [2Hotel9] I have been reading the Oil For Food Report. GOD! Mind
18:55:52 [RussellK] stores are a town
18:56:00 [katdillon] yeah, the capitalism is rampant in nashua...terrible
18:56:17 [madmoon] u can turn that cd into a spindle, jp
18:56:22 [jgmaynard] Wow. goodness forbid you should use the disk twice.
18:56:26 [jcpliberty] Yeah, 85,000 residents
18:56:29 [katdillon] What did you find out, Hotel?
18:56:41 [ScottRoth] It's only gonna get worse, 2hotel9.
18:57:07 [jcpliberty] Get U.S. Out of the U.N.!
18:57:19 [jgmaynard] So is your election in Nov, JC?
18:57:21 [ScottRoth] Amen, brother.
18:57:23 [madmoon] amen jim
18:57:32 [JonM] nah, get the U.N. out of the U.S.
18:57:39 [Nick] Some good news for the future, when I ran for governor in
the Youth and government I gave a straight up speech about what I would do as
governor, and that was right along Libertarian lines. I lost by one vote of
about 40 and that includes the fact that it was a primary race between us and
18:57:41 [JonM] move em to France!
18:57:42 [2Hotel9] So far? Mismanagement, theft , lying. The usual!
18:57:52 [jcpliberty] Yep, November,
18:57:54 [Nick] And they outnumbered us two to one
18:58:00 [Alkalyne] Hey all
18:58:04 [katdillon] we held a lovely UN flag burning a few weeks ago
18:58:12 [katdillon] hello alkalyne
18:58:16 [jgmaynard] OK. I gonna head. Ciao, all!
18:58:21 [ScottRoth] Hi Alkalyne.
18:58:26 [jcpliberty] Check out my website for details. I will update
more as I go along. Be sure to checdk out my campaign store ;-)
18:58:32 [ScottRoth] Take care Jim.
18:58:34 [jcpliberty] Hi Alkaylne.
18:58:37 [Alkalyne] I'm really really interested in all this.
18:58:38 [RussellK] me too hate to leave the fun but bye everyone
18:58:42 [2Hotel9] I saw the pics. Nice job!!
18:58:43 [jcpliberty] Bye Jim!
18:58:45 [katdillon] night, jim
18:59:00 [ScottRoth] Night Russell.
18:59:04 [MiclEdlstn] bye everyone
18:59:08 [katdillon] Great, alk. Are there any questions we can answer?
18:59:14 [jcpliberty] Bye Russell!
18:59:29 [Alkalyne] In fact.. its almost a dream of mine. I've always
wanted to see something like this. Well... after waking up to all the tyrrany.
18:59:32 [Nick] I wish I'd known about that flag burning kat, I cut out
18:59:32 [solomon484] Later Russell-even if your realted to Bertrand
18:59:35 [RussellK] bye JP
18:59:47 [Nick] bye jim
19:00:05 [jcpliberty] Blech... Bertrand Russell, what did you have to
bring HIM up for?
19:00:15 [Nick] That was some extensive press for such a small
19:00:18 [Alkalyne] Er.. so you guys all live in the same community?
19:00:18 [jcpliberty] LOL
19:00:24 [katdillon] I agree with you there! I felt like I had to do
something to stop the tyranny!
19:00:28 [2Hotel9] We have regular shoots here, UN berets and flags.
19:00:38 [katdillon] No, we're all over the state
19:00:44 [jcpliberty] Nashua here!
19:00:44 [katdillon] lol Hotel
19:00:45 [Alkalyne] oh
19:01:01 [PattyE] Seabrook
19:01:03 [Alkalyne] then why is it so imparitive to be in NH?
19:01:09 [jcpliberty] But Keene has an unusually high concentration.
19:01:16 [ScottRoth] It's the only place to be.\
19:01:18 [Nick] Nelson
19:01:19 [Alkalyne] ah
19:01:24 [katdillon] We picked on state with a small population to
19:01:35 [Alkalyne] Won't this turn into a huge Waco?
19:01:41 [Alkalyne] worst case senario
19:01:42 [katdillon] that already is pretty liberty friendly
19:01:42 [jcpliberty] On the Free State Project website is a document,
101 Reasons to Move to NH
19:01:46 [davemincin] because we have the opportunty for real change in
the direction of more freedom
19:01:47 [2Hotel9] NH has always been a hot bed of freedom.
19:01:48 [katdillon] I hope not!
19:02:00 [Nick] NH is the most free state in the union aswell
19:02:11 [jcpliberty] Indeed.
19:02:19 [katdillon] NH does have good gun laws, though
19:02:24 [jcpliberty] Seethe above referenced 101 Reasons
19:02:44 [Nick] I doubt there will be a waco, what would they get a
warrant for, being libertarian
19:02:47 [katdillon] http://freestateproject.org/
19:02:59 [PattyE] I enjoyed my first 3 minute auto inspection (takes half
hour in MA)
19:03:08 [katdillon] it's going to be tough to massace people spread out
all over the state, anyway
19:03:10 [2Hotel9] Only one gun law 2nd Amendment
19:03:17 [Alkalyne] Nick: They don't need a warrant... they didn't for
19:03:21 [katdillon] yikes
19:03:35 [PatK] NH=no income tax no sales tax, people friendly to liberty
and Dave will buy you abeer what more could you ask for
19:03:38 [Alkalyne] Ture Kat... thats why I asked if it was a community
19:03:41 [FTL_Ian] Violence on the part of the government is not scaring
us away from the freedom we deserve.
19:03:42 [Nick] They did have a warrant for waco
19:04:00 [Alkalyne] A warrant for what?
19:04:22 [Nick] If you won't take a risk you wan't get anywhere, nothing
ventured, nothing gained
19:04:22 [Alkalyne] FTL: it won't scare me either.. I was just curious
19:04:42 [FTL_Ian] Nick: to play Devil's Advocate, they may not need a
warrant if you're a "suspected terrorist"
19:04:51 [davemincin] believe we are talking about a warrant
article...like in getting something on the ballot
19:04:52 [katdillon] We can have voilence committed against us even if we
weren't doing this. We've got to try
19:05:08 [FTL_Ian] kat: no doubt
19:05:18 [jcpliberty] USA Patriot... no more warrants needed.
19:05:29 [Nick] That's true Ian, Patriot act is to thank for that
19:05:48 [2Hotel9] Been shot at before. Ain't nothin' but a thing.
19:05:52 [katdillon] here's a little project I'm working on:
19:06:03 [katdillon] wow
19:06:29 [solomon484] No warrants, no probable cause, and torture if
19:06:34 [Nick] Why were you shot at??
19:06:54 [PatK] husband came home early
19:07:12 [davemincin] anything else about NH?
19:07:13 [Nick] If you don't mind saying
19:07:17 [2Hotel9] Army, 79 to 85. Honduras 82-83.
19:07:31 [ScottRoth] Let's try this again.
19:07:36 [katdillon] lol pat
19:07:56 [katdillon] welcome back, scott
19:08:10 [ScottRoth] Couldn't type anything...
19:08:15 [Nick] I might be going Army next year
19:08:32 [2Hotel9] What MOS?
19:08:37 [ScottRoth] Sorry to hear that. Thanks for trying.
19:09:13 [PatK] X-Navy but nobody ever shot at me
19:09:17 [Nick] I'm thinking MPs, but they are often dployed, I want to
19:10:21 [Nick] I'm not sure if I'm going, I'm currently in CAP so I get
to start as an E3
19:10:30 [2Hotel9] Go Combat Arms. Get it over with right off the bat!
19:10:30 [ScottRoth] Appreciate it...
19:10:32 [davemincin] Later folks...hope to see some of u Saturday!
19:10:44 [Nick] But I'll probably go for a comision regardless
19:10:48 [ScottRoth] Take care Dave.
19:10:48 [katdillon] night dave...thanks for coming. we'll be there sat
19:10:51 [PatK] be good Dave
19:10:57 [Nick] What's up saturday?
19:11:02 [PattyE] Dave - are you going to Nashua on Saturday?
19:11:04 [jcpliberty] bye dave
19:11:12 [2Hotel9] Later, PA
19:11:25 [Nick] You mean weapons specialist hotel?
19:11:26 [jcpliberty] What's in Nashua Saturday?
19:11:29 [FTL_Ian] Hope you military people don't get your asses
19:12:02 [Nick] I think most of them hope so too Ian
19:12:09 [JonM] stay air force
19:12:19 [Nick] I'm anti Iraq war just to put that out there
19:12:22 [JonM] army tends to get the short shrift on equipment
19:12:30 [canaan] or coast guard
19:12:50 [ScottRoth] No war ever declared.
19:12:56 [2Hotel9] They don't want me, I tend to shoot people. Regardless
of current political climate.
19:12:57 [Nick] Air Force tends to be better duty, I'd like to hook up
with the air guard at pease
19:13:28 [Nick] You sound like my kind of soldier hotel
19:13:31 [jcpliberty] Well, I am a Conscientious Objector based upon my
religious beliefs on top of the fact that the War in Iraq is illegal.
19:13:33 [canaan] .... nothing like the smell of gunpowder in the
19:13:57 [canaan] legal war.... interesting concept..... hmmm
19:14:10 [solomon484] I say the same about depleted uranium.
19:14:14 [Nick] I couldn't get a CO release unless I lied
19:14:34 [jcpliberty] Ah.
19:14:45 [Nick] Liberty, would you kill for any reason
19:14:51 [2Hotel9] People want to kill us, rather do it there than here.
And no, it ain't our foreign policy they don't like
19:14:58 [margomaps] sounds complicated. a lot of in's, a lot of
out's...a lot of what-have-you's
19:15:05 [ScottRoth] Kat, what's up on Saturday?
19:15:30 [Nick] Legal is an ambiguos term
19:15:54 [PattyE] Seacoast Porcupine meeting on Saturday
19:16:04 [ScottRoth] Ahhhhh......
19:16:09 [jcpliberty] Personal Self Defense or in the defense of any of
my friends, if I were present at an initiation of force on their life, liberty
19:16:11 [Nick] Justified is more my peramiter, Afghanistan was
justified, Iraq wasn't
19:16:11 [solomon484] What is job situation in NH?
19:16:19 [katdillon] Seacoast porcupines, handing out flyers in Hampton
19:16:31 [PatK] good night all
19:16:32 [ScottRoth] Yep.
19:16:40 [ScottRoth] Nite, Pat.
19:16:40 [katdillon] Russell had no problem finding work
19:16:45 [Nick] Night
19:16:46 [jcpliberty] Night Pat!
19:16:52 [ScottRoth] Jobs are avilable.
19:16:58 [ScottRoth] available.
19:16:58 [Nick] I can't make seacoast saturday
19:17:08 [PattyE] at the courthouse in Hampton, right?
19:17:25 [solomon484] What is pay in comparison to other states?
19:17:30 [katdillon] No, that will be on the 25th
19:17:36 [katdillon] at the courthouse
19:17:40 [Nick] Nothing happening in the monadnock region this wknd?
19:17:41 [jcpliberty] Yeah, jobs are readily available and there are very
few business restrictions, so starting your own is easy here.
19:17:53 [Nick] You mean salary?
19:18:00 [ScottRoth] Not top dollar, but not bottom either.
19:18:00 [katdillon] No. Nashua on Sunday though
19:18:09 [PattyE] temp jobs at the Seabrook PO - $13.05/hr
19:18:10 [solomon484] Yes.
19:18:12 [katdillon] We're chaining jcp up
19:18:22 [jcpliberty] Saturday Morning, 9:00 AM Wilton, NH at gary's
19:18:31 [katdillon] oh yeah
19:18:35 [canaan] chaining jcp???? are we getting kinky here???
19:18:38 [Nick] Pretty high though I don't have stats to back that up
19:18:39 [ScottRoth] Still on...
19:19:01 [katdillon] We're breaking his bonds from MA
19:19:12 [katdillon] and handing out FSP flyers and such
19:19:40 [solomon484] Where is Seabrook PO?
19:19:42 [Nick] Sounds symbolic kat
19:19:45 [PattyE] did the Eagle-Tribune reporter respond kat?
19:19:56 [Nick] Too bad I can't be there
19:20:03 [katdillon] Nope, Patty
19:20:15 [Nick] New Hampshirites will like that
19:20:28 [PattyE] told him it would be a good story
19:20:44 [katdillon] thanks
19:20:46 [jcpliberty] I am going to have an I Hate Massachusetts bumpah
stickah printed up for the car.
19:21:01 [katdillon] lol
19:21:01 [Nick] Anti Mass bias is stronger than most people would think
possible in an era where every state is supposed to be the same
19:21:05 [2Hotel9] Did MA flog him at the tail of a CART BEFORE HE COULD
19:21:07 [jcpliberty] Not in tieme though for Sunday
19:21:35 [2Hotel9] Sorr, hit that damn caps lock again.
19:21:45 [katdillon] Flogging, we didn't consider that. you up for
flogging, too, jim?
19:22:15 [Nick] I only like mass because I can go to the big concert
19:22:16 [jcpliberty] NO!
19:22:19 [canaan] chaining and flogging.... did the tone of this room
19:22:20 [katdillon] lol
19:22:39 [Nick] C'mon jim take a wippin for the team
19:22:41 [2Hotel9] Jim, you the jcp whats getting chained?
19:22:49 [ScottRoth] He's from Massachusetts. We have to be careful, you
19:22:59 [katdillon] Time for me to hit the hay. Good night everyone and
thanks for coming!
19:23:12 [ScottRoth] Nite Kat. Talk to you soon.
19:23:18 [jcpliberty] JCPLIBERTY = Jim C. Perry, candidate for Nashua
19:23:19 [2Hotel9] Later on, kat
19:23:22 [Nick] Good night, gad I could make it
19:23:24 [PattyE] bye kat
19:23:25 [jcpliberty] Nite Kat!
19:24:54 [FTL_Ian] To anyone who has voted for my show, thanks
19:24:57 [2Hotel9] Been interesting. I'll be back. Got to get back to my
reading. That mind numbing crap ain't going to read itself!!
19:25:01 [FTL_Ian] To those that havent:
19:25:08 [ScottRoth] Great show, Ian. Glad I found it.
19:25:09 [FTL_Ian] Please take 20 seconds
19:25:12 [FTL_Ian] click there
19:25:18 [PattyE] yqw ian
19:25:18 [FTL_Ian] vote 5 stars
19:25:36 [FTL_Ian] more votes = more listeners = more potential FSP
19:25:47 [FTL_Ian] Thanks Scott
19:25:53 [FTL_Ian] How did you find it?
19:26:31 [wildboar] I'm looking for a nice place to live in NH. Took a
tour over New Years and found Jackson (north of N. Conway) and liked that.
Anyone familiar with Jackson?
19:26:36 [ScottRoth] A link from one of the liberty websites.
19:27:04 [FTL_Ian] Know which?
19:27:16 [ScottRoth] Jackson. Yeah, nice bridge...
19:27:40 [ScottRoth] Don't remember, Ian. But if I do, I'll e-mail you
19:28:23 [FTL_Ian] Nice to know who is linking
19:28:26 [FTL_Ian] thanks
19:28:35 [ScottRoth] I've been on SO MANY sites lately...
19:28:40 [FTL_Ian] Have you called your local talk stations?
19:28:42 [wildboar] Yes, nice bridge, golf course, town, view, etc... Is
there another town in NH like Jackson so I have something to compare it to?
19:28:43 [jcpliberty] Anyway, I need to go do some prep for going to
Hampton tomorrow to hand out flyers. Talk to you all later! Check out
http://www.jimcperry.com and buy stuff from my Campaign Store so I can afford
19:28:46 [FTL_Ian] We would love for you to do so
19:28:50 [2Hotel9] Later on, Gang. Got to go.
19:28:51 [jcpliberty] G'night!
19:28:57 [FTL_Ian] bye now jcp
19:29:01 [ScottRoth] See you on Saturday, JP.
19:29:43 [PattyE] where are you handing out flyers in Hampton?
19:29:43 [ScottRoth] Lots of towns like Jackson here in NH.
19:30:09 [ScottRoth] Have to check with JP on that.
19:30:41 [solomon484] Later Room.
19:30:46 [wildboar] Like what other towns? I drove the whole state
North/south (not East/west) and didn't see anything quite as nice as Jackson.
19:31:43 [ScottRoth] Well, it is one of the most popular of tourist
19:32:24 [ScottRoth] I wouldn't mind living there myself.
19:32:34 [PattyE] lots to do in Jackson
19:32:46 [wildboar] I';m not necessarily interested in it being a tourist
town, just clean.
19:33:51 [FTL_Ian] Where are you at in NH, Scott?
19:33:59 [PattyE] it's near everything, including the Fryeburg Fair in ME
19:34:02 [ScottRoth] Peterborough
19:34:31 [PattyE] another very nice town
19:34:35 [ScottRoth] It's a wonderful town to raise a family in.
19:34:46 [PattyE] a "calendar" town
19:34:50 [ScottRoth] I've been here going on 30 years now.
19:34:54 [ScottRoth] Yep.
19:35:30 [PattyE] always think of the cover of Yankee Magazine when I
19:35:33 [ScottRoth] Hi silverfish.
19:35:44 [silverfish] hi there
19:35:46 [ScottRoth] Yeah. It's been on it many times...
19:36:00 [silverfish] i was here earlier, had to bring the kids home
19:36:16 [ScottRoth] Welcome back.
19:36:30 [FTL_Ian] apparenly, there are no talk stations in listening
range for you to call, Scott
19:36:35 [PattyE] Tuftonboro a fav too
19:36:36 [silverfish] it appears i missed everyone
19:36:53 [silverfish] well not everyone
19:36:54 [PattyE] JonM still with us?
19:37:06 [ScottRoth] That's right, Ian. Guess we'll have to keep working
on that one.
19:37:07 [JonM] who?
19:37:31 [silverfish] how many in here have already made the move or were
in NH to begin with?
19:37:54 [FTL_Ian] I wish I was in NH
19:38:03 [PattyE] < grew up in NH, moved to MA for 15 yrs, now back in
19:38:04 [ScottRoth] I've been in NH almost 30 years.
19:38:19 [ScottRoth] Where are you at, Patty?
19:38:23 [silverfish] i went to college in MA at Babson in Wellesley
19:38:30 [PattyE] Seabrook
19:38:39 [ScottRoth] We need to setup a fund to get you up here, Ian.
19:38:53 [silverfish] in the Peoples Republik of Kullifornia now
19:38:54 [ScottRoth] Ahh..., the coast.
19:38:59 [PattyE] oops...correction... moved to MA for 30 yrs...
19:39:18 [JonM] ian can do the ghostcow walk, and broadcast all the way
19:39:28 [ScottRoth] Ahnuldville
19:39:46 [silverfish] how far did that guy walk?
19:39:53 [ScottRoth] Lots of listeners in between
19:40:08 [silverfish] yeah, well Ahhnold isnt all that much better than
19:40:21 [ScottRoth] I hear that!
19:40:31 [silverfish] and all the fruits and nuts near the coast are
horrid out here
19:40:34 [ScottRoth] Just smokes better cigars.
19:41:21 [silverfish] well now they are pursuing the illegal alien
19:41:32 [PattyE] ian, when are you planning on moving to NH?
19:41:37 [ScottRoth] So Ian, what do we need to do to get you on the air
19:41:44 [silverfish] which has all the rush limbaugh/sean hannity clones
drooling all over the talk radio
19:41:57 [ScottRoth] How do we get radio stations up here to carry you?
19:42:12 [FTL_Ian] When I start making money on this show
19:42:17 [FTL_Ian] patty.
19:42:34 [ScottRoth] I hear that.
19:43:18 [ScottRoth] Well, my wife and I are excited about all of the
Fress Staters coming this way.
19:43:29 [ScottRoth] Free Staters.
19:43:33 [FTL_Ian] Scott: that is a good question
19:43:44 [ScottRoth] It'll just make NH even better.
19:43:46 [FTL_Ian] I have every NH talker in my database now
19:43:56 [FTL_Ian] I have not yet spoken with most of the PDs
19:44:30 [ScottRoth] I would love to approach some radio stations here,
but I'm afraid I'm a newbie at this sort of thing.
19:44:34 [FTL_Ian] I have encouraged FSPers to contact their local
19:44:42 [ScottRoth] But the heart is willing...
19:44:44 [FTL_Ian] Well, so am I
19:44:46 [FTL_Ian] I'
19:45:01 [FTL_Ian] I'm hesitant because I don't want it to seem too
19:45:10 [ScottRoth] I understand.
19:45:15 [FTL_Ian] But I still think it's best to do this, anyway:
19:45:22 [FTL_Ian] http://radio-locator.com
19:45:27 [ScottRoth] Certainly is needed though.
19:45:37 [ScottRoth] Cool. I'll check it out.
19:45:46 [FTL_Ian] find some local stations ( the categories you want are
Talk and News/Talk )
19:46:03 [FTL_Ian] Call them during business hours, ask for the Program
19:46:12 [FTL_Ian] (usually available in mornings)
19:46:13 [ScottRoth] Gotcha.
19:46:13 [PattyE] you should come here on vacation and guest host
19:46:31 [ScottRoth] There's an idea...
19:46:57 [FTL_Ian] Tell them your favorite show, Free Talk Live, is now
syndicated, and you wish it was on their station 6 days per week
19:47:04 [PattyE] then we can all call the station and demand you as a
19:47:23 [ScottRoth] Oh yeah.
19:47:25 [FTL_Ian] Patty, I think if the FSP stays on board with us for a
little while we might just come up there for a Porcfest and broadcast live
19:47:45 [ScottRoth] That would be awesome.
19:47:45 [FTL_Ian] I don't know if we can do it this year
19:47:57 [FTL_Ian] It depends on the financial shape we're in
19:48:04 [FTL_Ian] But I can definately see next year
19:48:17 [FTL_Ian] And of course next year we'll be on many more
19:48:18 [PattyE] cool!
19:48:34 [ScottRoth] Any way to do a linkup from here?
19:48:36 [FTL_Ian] Scott, are you clear on the process of calling
19:48:48 [FTL_Ian] Anywhere there's a good phone line
19:48:52 [FTL_Ian] We can do a show
19:48:56 [JonM] oh, flights from FL are dirt cheap to logan
19:48:58 [ScottRoth] Yes, thank you.
19:49:02 [FTL_Ian] So we could do it from the campground
19:49:12 [FTL_Ian] assuming their line isn't old and noisy
19:49:12 [JonM] and ya live in a tent!
19:49:27 [ScottRoth] Wouldn't that be great.
19:49:42 [FTL_Ian] Yes, yes it would
19:50:11 [PattyE] excellent idea
19:50:19 [FTL_Ian] Of course, if the FSP foolishly decides to pull their
sponsorship, we'll be very sad. That money is going to be seeding some ads in
19:50:22 [silverfish] time to feed the kiddies
19:50:45 [FTL_Ian] We're using it to advertise the show, meaning more
stations, listeners, and potential recruits for the FSP
19:50:53 [ScottRoth] Take care silverfish.
19:51:10 [FTL_Ian] cya silverfish
19:51:13 [PattyE] nite silverfish
19:51:19 [ScottRoth] Is it a print, or electronic mag?
19:51:25 [FTL_Ian] Print
19:51:29 [PattyE] why would the FSP pull sponsorship?
19:51:33 [FTL_Ian] It's THE talk industry publication
19:52:19 [FTL_Ian] I dunno.. radio advertisers get scared, if after one
month they haven't gotten results
19:52:21 [ScottRoth] Found it.
19:52:47 [JonM] that would require decision making ability, wouldn't it?
19:52:50 [FTL_Ian] they don't realize that it's a long term process
19:53:03 [ScottRoth] Advertisinf usually is.
19:53:08 [JonM] it could take months of discussion to decide if it isn't
19:53:09 [ScottRoth] advertising
19:53:16 [ScottRoth] Long day...
19:53:28 [FTL_Ian] That's good JonM, because we're about ready to sign a
contract with Talkers
19:53:38 [JonM] besides, you are pulling in some recruits
19:53:58 [FTL_Ian] and we were concerned that we'd have to cover the
difference if the FSP gets scared
19:53:59 [PattyE] so we get a list of advertisers and buy stuff from them
and let them know where we heard about them?
19:54:01 [JonM] domino effect and all
19:55:07 [JonM] FSP is too decentralized to get all scared, you have the
guy who decided to give you the sponsorship to worry about and not much of
19:55:17 [FTL_Ian] We're convinced that we're the best advertsiing
opportunity for the FSP, period. I just hope Robert Hull agrees.
19:55:28 [FTL_Ian] Right, Mr. Hull is the man
19:55:48 [JonM] the more stations that pick you up, the better
19:55:51 [PattyE] brb - gotta go take killer NY-Style cheesecake outta
the oven (you hear that JonM?)
19:55:58 [FTL_Ian] Patty: having a list of sponsors to give you would be
19:56:02 [JonM] you ever plan to charge for the feed, or will it all be
based on advertising?
19:56:18 [FTL_Ian] EXACTLY, Jon
19:56:42 [JonM] that was an either or question!
19:57:26 [FTL_Ian] I don't have those plans, but if our bandwidth
consumption cranks up, and advertising can't cover it, we'll ask for donations,
then maybe create an elite level of archives for $$$. But I love giving
archives out free, so I don't see that going away
19:57:42 [FTL_Ian] The exactly was for your earlier line
19:57:48 [PattyE] maybe you could post a list of sponsors in the FSP
19:58:21 [FTL_Ian] Patty: we have no sponsors yet, EXCEPT the FSP
19:58:43 [FTL_Ian] Once we get into enough markets, there is a company
standing by who will sell our spots for us
19:58:44 [PattyE] oh...
19:58:53 [FTL_Ian] And we're not too far away from that point...
19:58:58 [JonM] how many is enough?
19:59:22 [JonM] have you talked to WRKO yet?
19:59:33 [FTL_Ian] Depends on the AQH
19:59:45 [FTL_Ian] Average Quarter Hour listener count
19:59:53 [JonM] michael savage just makes me dive for the FM button
20:00:01 [JonM] but I don't know what ratings he pulls in boston
20:00:05 [JonM] you should
20:00:09 [FTL_Ian] He's our biggest competitor
20:00:27 [JonM] what, laura isn't?
20:00:31 [FTL_Ian] I have called RKO several times and haven't yet hit
20:00:45 [FTL_Ian] Savage is EVERYWHERE, and PDs love him.
20:01:09 [PattyE] PDs?
20:01:17 [JonM] program directors
20:01:22 [PattyE] ah
20:01:23 [FTL_Ian] Sorry
20:01:28 [FTL_Ian] Program Directors
20:02:13 [FTL_Ian] That may be an effective call to a Savage affiliate:
"I always shut off your station when Savage comes on, if you really want
controversy and me as a listener, replace him with FTL"
20:03:06 [FTL_Ian] I won't leave messages though, so a message from a
listener to the RKO PD might be useful when I finally connect with him.
20:03:18 [JonM] before or after?
20:03:54 [ScottRoth] Well, time to hit the sack. 4AM comes around real
fast. Have a great nite, folks. Thanks for the info Ian. I will see what I can
20:04:04 [FTL_Ian] before
20:04:14 [PattyE] i called WRKO to protest when they first put Savage on,
and I wrote a letter to the station
20:04:17 [FTL_Ian] I have a feeling it will be a little while before I
20:04:27 [FTL_Ian] Thanks Scott.. I look forward to hearing about your
20:04:49 [FTL_Ian] WRKO 617-779-3400 PD: Mike Elder
20:04:52 [ScottRoth] I'll let you know. Keep up the good work, my friend.
20:05:18 [PattyE] nite Scott
20:05:32 [ScottRoth] Nite Patty.
20:05:39 [JonM] do you know what the talk ratings in boston are?
20:06:18 [FTL_Ian] I do not
20:09:23 [FTL_Ian] There are 2 Boston PDs that I have spoken with
20:10:49 [FTL_Ian] WKOX 1200 / WXKS 1430 - Dennis Oheron
20:11:05 [FTL_Ian] 781-396-1430
20:11:27 [FTL_Ian] They are "progressive" format. Simulcasting
20:11:46 [FTL_Ian] I'm trying to follow up with him
20:12:18 [FTL_Ian] If he's anything like other "progressive" PDs, he'll
tell me he's 100% Air America by contract... but we'll see.
20:12:52 [FTL_Ian] The other station is WTTT 1150 - Jim Carter
20:12:58 [FTL_Ian] Jim describes himself as a Libertarian
20:13:10 [FTL_Ian] But he works for "Salem Communications"
20:13:43 [FTL_Ian] they are "family friendly". He claims to have pitched
it to his General Manager and the "Corporate programming guy".
20:14:06 [FTL_Ian] I'm scheduled to follow up with him in a week.
20:14:40 [FTL_Ian] WBZ is on the shitlist. He only wants local shows
20:14:43 [FTL_Ian] Too bad
20:15:27 [FTL_Ian] wow.. that's helpful Patty
20:15:31 [FTL_Ian] Bookmarked
20:17:01 [JonM] you'll be local eventually
20:17:03 [FTL_Ian] If you want to call Jim at WTTT: 617-328-0880
20:17:22 [FTL_Ian] I sure as hell don't want to work in Boston
20:17:28 [JonM] I don't think I've EVER hit 1150 on my radio
20:17:30 [FTL_Ian] I like my home studio
20:17:52 [JonM] brudnoy broadcast from home
20:17:59 [FTL_Ian] Hmm.. apparenly they aren't even rated
20:18:27 [JonM] on the AM dial I pretty much hit 680, and 96.9 on the fm
20:18:34 [JonM] but TKK has laura in that time slot
20:19:29 [FTL_Ian] TKK would be a great affiliate
20:19:38 [FTL_Ian] I have yet to speak with that PD
20:19:45 [FTL_Ian] Paula O Connor
20:20:01 [FTL_Ian] 617-822-9600
20:20:13 [JonM] laura has come to boston quite a few times
20:20:40 [JonM] and frankly, she may be a right winger, but she's cuter
20:20:49 [PattyE] she likes the Four Seasons...
20:21:52 [JonM] WRKO's broadcast is like due north and south, I remember
I could barely pick them up on 495 in Boxborough which is northwest of boston
20:22:33 [JonM] and apparently jay severin is kicking howie carr's ass in
20:22:58 [JonM] now jay is SCARY looking, he was made to be a radio host
20:23:55 [PattyE] i'm liking the "Independent Man" lately
20:24:44 [JonM] you have a longer drive than me, I tend to hear
20:26:02 [PattyE] John DiPietro
20:26:06 [JonM] you need to call him up and promote the FSP patty!
20:26:32 [PattyE] yeah, but not good to hear that show... means I'm on
the road at 10:00 am... late for work again!
20:27:05 [FTL_Ian] I wonder who is winning between Ingraham and Savage
20:27:08 [FTL_Ian] in Boston
20:27:12 [PattyE] maybe we both could call him up, eh?
20:27:34 [PattyE] hope Laura is winning
20:27:38 [JonM] laura has a better lead in
20:27:52 [JonM] but wrko doesn't subscribe to arbitron
20:28:15 [JonM] though arbitron does track them...
20:28:25 [JonM] they tend to have older listeners
20:28:41 [JonM] http://www.animaux.net/stern/boston.html
20:29:57 [FTL_Ian] Yes. TKK would be the best affiliate in Boston
20:30:10 [FTL_Ian] but as you can imagine, we'll take anything we can get
20:30:16 [JonM] you'd displace laura, and I would be forced to hate you.
20:30:38 [FTL_Ian] Having ANYthing in Boston, would get us the AQH we
need to be saleable.
20:30:44 [JonM] last summer she went off the air to re-tool or work on
the book or something
20:30:48 [FTL_Ian] Jon, you don't have a chance with her
20:31:12 [PattyE] don't worry ian, he hates me too, because i can buy gas
for $1.64/gallon... heh
20:31:18 [JonM] of course not, but she has a much more pleasant voice
than the other hosts
20:31:59 [JonM] wrko used to have a larger audience, they were just old
folks, don't know if that's still the case
20:32:38 [JonM] and howie is kinda libertarian...kinda
20:32:45 [FTL_Ian] To each his own, I find her a bit grating
20:33:00 [JonM] as compared to savage?
20:33:17 [FTL_Ian] I just dislike him
20:33:55 [FTL_Ian] It's not fair to compare a woman's voice to a man's
20:34:08 [FTL_Ian] Compared to other women, Ingraham is grating
20:34:22 [JonM] savage is just angry
20:34:56 [PattyE] Laura is a female Imus
20:35:35 [PattyE] agree - savage is a very angry man
20:36:06 [JonM] the daily show keeps playing a clip of a city councilman
winging something at a tv reporter's back
20:36:46 [FTL_Ian] Laura is politically the Female Rush
20:37:54 [JonM] speaking of someone who should be a libertarian by now
20:38:07 [JonM] the drug thing shoulda pushed ya over the edge rush!
20:38:17 [FTL_Ian] He's a coward
20:38:22 [FTL_Ian] Just like the rest of them
20:38:53 [JonM] rush is good at what he does
20:39:45 [FTL_Ian] He absolutely is
20:40:13 [JonM] I listened to a lot of air america when I was in florida
20:40:18 [JonM] they're not.
20:40:26 [FTL_Ian] If he has principles, he's a coward. IF the doesn't,
20:40:37 [FTL_Ian] They are not cowards?
20:40:48 [FTL_Ian] Or not good?
20:41:08 [PattyE] or not american?
20:41:18 [JonM] not very good at what they do
20:41:36 [FTL_Ian] I wish them much failure. Because when the "majority
report" tanks, then FTL will be right there waiting.
20:42:23 [JonM] well, eventually they'll run out of things to whine about
20:42:45 [FTL_Ian] Someone said, "I've got a great idea! Let's do liberal
talk!"... then they realized there really aren't too many REAL talk hosts to
choose from, so they threw some big name socialists behind mics.
20:42:55 [FTL_Ian] I haven't heard any of it, and don't want to
20:43:25 [JonM] fraken is a smart guy, does some funny bits, but seems a
bit disconnected from reality
20:44:03 [JonM] after reading bias and arrogance, now I see why
20:44:05 [FTL_Ian] http://www.airamericaradio.com/shows/majorityreport/
20:44:11 [JonM] in his world, everyone really does think that way
20:44:28 [FTL_Ian] Look at that jackass with the bowtie. If that didn't
SCREAM "boring", read the show description!
20:45:26 [JonM] when did jeanane become blonde?!?!
20:45:36 [JonM] learn something new every day
20:45:41 [PattyE] they look like a SNL skit
20:45:46 [FTL_Ian] By the end of this year I want Savage to know his days
20:46:27 [PattyE] they might be numbered anyway... his blood pressure
must be sky high
20:46:28 [FTL_Ian] These goofs on AA are just destined to fail.. what
idiot programs this network?!
20:46:31 [FTL_Ian] "Singer and songwriter, Nellie McKay. She will talk
about various forces that influenced the lyrics in her critically acclaimed
debut CD, Get Away From Me."
20:46:34 [FTL_Ian] WHO CARES!
20:46:44 [JonM] someone with deep pockets if I recall
20:48:07 [JonM] I did hear the guy who wrote grandma got run over by a
reindeer on air america
20:48:27 [PattyE] whatever you do... DON'T click on the "honeymooning in
the Carribbean" link! ewww
20:48:28 [JonM] he was amusing, he's a vet, people kept calling in asking
about their pets
20:50:46 [JonM] did you watch Tilt patty?
20:51:12 [PattyE] only a few minutes of it...
20:51:45 [PattyE] while some guy was getting beat up in an alley
20:51:54 [JonM] that was the end
20:52:00 [PattyE] yep
20:52:05 [PattyE] was it any good?
20:52:08 [JonM] its on...many more times
20:52:32 [JonM] why, in 8 minutes in fact!
20:52:39 [PattyE] i was busy creating the perfect cheesecake
20:52:56 [JonM] what of pie?
20:53:27 [PattyE] pie is for others... cheesecake is for...
20:53:39 [JonM] what? NO PIE?
20:53:45 [PattyE] lunch tomorrow!
20:54:10 [PattyE] what's wrong with a PERFECT ATK NY STYLE cheesecake????
20:54:28 [PattyE] the best one I have ever made... btw
20:54:59 [FTL_Ian] Alright, I'm out
20:55:07 [FTL_Ian] THanks for your help, guys
20:55:09 [FTL_Ian] good nite
20:55:10 [JonM] PIE
20:55:14 [JonM] night
20:55:32 [PattyE] night ian, great to chat with you
20:55:48 [PattyE] pie. pie. pie. pie. pie. CHEESECAKE.
20:57:05 [JonM] custard pie
20:57:21 [PattyE] you should make one!
20:57:41 [JonM] some day
20:57:47 [PattyE] how about apple pie for sunday?
20:57:51 [JonM] later
20:57:54 [PattyE] FSP Pie
20:58:17 [JonM] you're gonna make a porc topped pie?
20:58:19 [PattyE] if i can remember how to make a pastry porcupine...
20:58:25 [PattyE] lol
20:58:38 [PattyE] sure
20:59:17 [JonM] well then.
20:59:41 [PattyE] if reporters are there it may get it
20:59:56 [PattyE] it's picture in the paper
21:00:16 [PattyE] but how will i ever get home...
21:00:37 [JonM] go to work after
21:00:42 [JonM] then you'll be fine
21:00:55 [PattyE] well, guess I'll go give Tilt a try... while my perfect
cheesecake is cooling
21:01:08 [JonM] besides, 495 is probably a better route to seabrook
21:01:27 [PattyE] is the best way
21:01:48 [PattyE] 111 is way too north
21:02:41 [PattyE] did you see the state of the state speech tonight?
21:02:44 [JonM] then you're all set
21:03:19 [JonM] nope
21:03:55 [PattyE] first time in a long time that I have watched it from