Interest Groups

Interest Groups

While the FSP is looking for activists who support liberty for all, we can find libertarians in many different communities of ignterest, each with its own priorities and reasons for valuing freedom. It makes sense for some members of these communities to interface with their own, since they are more likely to empathize and speak the same language, figuratively speaking. This has been going on informally since the FSP's inception, but we are formalizing it a little.

Below is a list of interest groups and people assigned as liaisons. The list is not exhaustive, and the people are not exclusive. We ask that the liaisons make efforts to reach out to their communities, and we ask that anyone else doing so keep the liaisons informed, so as to coordinate activities.

Feel free to suggest additional interest groups, especially if you are willing to volunteer as a liaison yourself, if you believe that connecting with them will help further the FSP mission. Please send any feedback to the Coordinator: Wade Bartlett.

Also, you can visit the Interest Group Liaisons discussion board in the FSP Forum.

Liaisons Corner - Jim Walters

Liaisons Corner

Interview with Jim Walters
Liaison for the States Rights Community • 10/27/05

• Liaisons Corner: Hi Jim, and welcome to the interviews at Liaisons Corner. We appreciate your taking the time to help the Free State Project participants get to know you better. Let's get started! Jim, Please tell us where you were born and raised and a bit about your early years and your family.

• Jim Walters: I was born in Montgomery, Alabama to a family of educators. My father was a Principal and Assistant Superintendent for over 38 years and my mother was a math teacher. Both my parents were from farm families and were the first ones in their family to get a college education. I'm especially proud of them because not only did they excel, my mother was the Valedictorian of her class at Auburn in 1938 and was Phi Beta Kappa. Both of them worked their way through school during the Depression. I graduated high school from a small school and had 27 in my graduating class. At our 10th Reunion, we found out that 17 of us had gone on to college. Not bad for a little country school!

• LC: Now let us know something about your high school and college years. Also your bio was rich in involvement in the Boy Scouts, please tell us about when you first joined the Scouts and how you have maintained involvement in the Scouting movement throughout the years.

• JW: I got a late start in Scouting, but all of us who were involved went at it with a vengeance! We were in the BSA's teenage Explorer program and four of us became Eagle Scouts together. I worked on camp staff and was inducted into Scouting's Honor Society, The Order of the Arrow, and later received the Vigil Honor. Later, I became an Assistant Scoutmaster and in the 1970's became a fulltime professional with the Boy Scouts in the New Orleans Area Council. 29 years later, I retired from the BSA's National Staff in Irving, Texas and am still active as a volunteer with my Explorer Post that I've been active with for the past 25 years. We specialize in War For Southern Independence Reenacting and are known as Co. K, 5th Louisiana Infantry. I since turned over command to one of my "kids" who joined the unit 25 years ago as a 12 year old courier. I'm pretty much the "Commander Emeritus".

• LC: Jim, somewhere along the line you have developed a deep sense of a love of freedom. Where did that all start?

• JW: My father was an avid reader and student of history and would tell me stories of how he used to listen to Huey Long on the radio and his involvement as a Marine in WWII in the Pacific. I think I inherited it from him. I was a voracious reader like he was and that made history come alive for me. History is full of struggles for freedom and full of stories of those who try to deny that basic human need to be free. The stories are about both the Patriots and the Tyrants. Being from the South, we have seen tyranny and destruction up close and it's not an abstraction. Freedom is given by God and not from a generous and benevolent ruler. Getting off my soapbox, I guess being the rebellious sort, I was born with an innate resistance to authority and always made a point to question it. That combined with a knowledge of the Patriots of history has given me a reverence for the dedication of freedom seekers all over the world.

• LC: Tell us how it all evolved to the point of your hearing about the Free State Project.

• JW: All my political activity, beliefs, religious beliefs, education, and experience came together with the FSP into a "perfect storm" that showed me a way to freedom, not just for the South, but for the country as a whole. The Free State Project is a perfect fit that offers a way for Liberty to happen for all of us. One of my favorite columnists is Dr. Walter Williams. He tagged the "Red State/Blue State'" thing when he said the country is divided right down the middle with half of the people wanting to be left alone by government and be allowed to live their lives, raise their children, and worship in the town square., while the other half is pathologically INCAPABLE of leaving them alone! So it appears we have a game of "It's My Turn To Be The Tyrant" going on.

  The FSP offered a magnificently simple solution and an alternative to the divisive society we are forced to live in. Maybe if we all became tolerant of each other and took the tool of coercive government off the table, then we might just get along fine! While I may personally disagree with a lot of groups in the FSP and will probably will denounce them in the town square as they will most certainly denounce me. Neither of us will have the brute force of government to inflict our agendas on the other.

• LC: You have been interested in or a member of the League of the South. Please tell the readers about the League of the South and how that may have influenced your views on life.

• JW: Over the years, I've become aware of the steady loss of our freedoms and the deterioration of our national ethic of desiring freedom and independence from an ever-growing Federal government. State sovereignty was a constitutional cornerstone of our republic. It ended at Appomattox when the forces of a centralized and concentrated Federal Government overcame on the battlefield what they could not win by peaceful means. Starting then, we have evolved into the "Nanny State" we are in now. Southerners are concerned by the anti-Southern bigotry and attempts to eradicate and cleanse Southern history by way of what some of us are calling "Reconstruction Part II". Quite a few of us are seeing the attacks on traditional values as an attack on Christianity by the Secular Humanists. We are on the side of freedom while those who oppose us are always collectivists and are never libertarian in nature.

  The purpose of the League of the South is to create a free and independent South where everyone is equal before God and the Law and that government is the servant of the people rather than the Master. Our position in the League is that we seek to accomplish this new independence by honorable means. I have been a member of the League of the South for about six years and I'm on the Board of Advisors of the Texas LoS. We are working to establish alternative institutions for ourselves such as our own credit union in Texas and support home schooling. Many of us are resources for home school associations. We also put on cultural events and conferences that are a lot of fun, but serve a dual purpose to bring Southerners together and to give us an opportunity to tell people who we are and what we believe. We have attracted the attention of the Southern Poverty Law Center, who refers to us as a "Neo-Confederate Hate Group". First I bristled at that term, I'm more of a "Paleo-American". The same people refer to the Boy Scouts as a homophobic hate group and the religious right as a hate group, too. In other words, read what we are about at www.dixienet.org and decide for yourself.

• LC: Jim, as our States Rights Liaison Leader, I have heard you talk very passionately about state's rights. Please tell us about your views on state's rights, then tell us how you might envision how we might bring New Hampshire in line with those views.

• JW: You are right on the passionate part! State sovereignty, in my opinion, is the only hope we have in remaining a free country. Our country is way too diverse to please some and force a one size fits all solution to problems. Mississippi is not like San Francisco and New Hampshire is different from Minnesota. Why is different necessarily bad? There is a dangerous mindset that I call a "Zero Sum" mindset. Boiled down, it says that if any one is prosperous, then they must have stolen or exploited another to get it. If one group is free, then they must oppress or deny another group their freedom. It goes in polar opposite of a lot of our people's traditional faith.

  I see New Hampshire being 90% in line with our Southern Nationalist views. That's why I voted for NH in the selection of the Free State. I really don't think that there is a lot more to do to bring NH into our way of thinking. I chose NH because they were already pretty much in line already. I've always loved the "Live Free or Die" state motto. Jefferson Davis made it clear when he said that the point of southern Independence was, "All we want is to be left alone". Sadly, "those people" that Dr. Walter Williams defined in his 2000 election analysis, were incapable of leaving the South alone!

• LC: Jim, you are a southern boy through and through (War Eagle). How do you feel about a southern boy from Alabama going to a New England state to see it become a truly free state, is that not a little upsidedown from what folks might have thought in 1865?

• JW: Over my life, I've met only a handful of people from New Hampshire and have liked them and their attitudes. I asked them why in the WORLD do they want to be considered Yankees! They are more like Southerners! It's the independent spirit that attracts me to New Hampshire and the opportunity to help them win their freedom from the Federal giant. I'm trying to recruit a Confederate Expeditionary Brigade to come with me. Southerners, by nature, are bound to their homes and are not culturally nomads. It's hard to talk with them about leaving their homes and families to move to a new and somewhat different place. My answer to them is that you are being asked to help New Hampshire win its freedom. Your ancestors left home and marched and fought for four years for the Confederacy to win their freedom. The sacrifice was horrendous, not only the loss of some 650,000 Americans, but included some 50,000 Southern civilians, and the ravaging of the countryside itself. So, they ask me, why go to New Hampshire? My answer is that I believe that the road to Southern freedom leads straight through New Hampshire and that the cause of the South is the cause of New Hampshire. New Hampshire has not had a campaign of over 140 years of demonization that the South has had to endure. The worst I've heard anyone say about NH was that they are "colorful". So, as the great general, Nathan Bedford Forrest said, "Hit 'em where they ain't!" Well, they ain't in New Hampshire!

• LC: You have a strong Scottish background, do you not? Has your Scots blood played any part in your love of freedom?

• JW: Both sides of my family came to America from Scotland in the early 1700's. My mother's family to Georgia and my father's South Carolina. I actually think it's genetically disposed! In fact, my second career after the Boy Scouts is my own Scottish food business. It's grown out of my involvement in Scottish Clan societies, the Royal Museum of Scotland, as well as my interest in Scottish history. One of my favorite books, "Cracker Culture, Celtic Ways of the Old South", by Dr. Grady MacWhinney makes the point that at the time of the War Between the States or The War to Prevent Southern Independence, as I like to put it, that the South was 75% Celtic while the North was nearly the flip side Anglo-Saxon English, hence New England! Their mercantile culture goes back to the beginning and our cultural differences come about honestly. BTW, New Hampshire is a hotbed of Scottish activity that I'm looking forward to being a part of. I tell my native Scot friends that the English kicked the more rowdy of us out first and that a Texan is nothing but a Scot on steroids!.

• LC: Jim, as you know we do not know the future, however, I am going to ask you as I ask all Liaison Leaders in these interviews, how do you envision what the state of New Hampshire might look like in say 10 years from now?

• JW: As the great Southerner, Dr. Martin Luther King said, "I have a dream". That dream is the restoration of our constitutional republic of sovereign states. New Hampshire is the cornerstone of that new republic and will be a shinning light to show how a free society operates in reality as well as a free economy. The remaining 10% of what needs to be done in the Free State would include the development of free foreign trade, making the state as business friendly as we can make it, and to watch our borders! I see a group of highly diverse people actually getting along and not at each others throats as we see in our country now. I've never heard of a Libertarian Revolution that forced freedom and liberty on anyone! Sadly, it is always the opposite. Freedom and liberty are extinguished by tyrants. I've noticed that there's a bad habit of Yankees to become violent when you threaten their revenues! I just hope Abraham Lincoln isn't President of the USA when the time comes to renegotiate New Hampshire's relationship with Washington!

• LC: Thanks, Jim, for taking the time for us to get to know you better.

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Jason's Talk at the Grand Western Conference, 25 May 2003

NOTE: The opinions and commentary expressed in this essay are those of the author and are an exercise of free speech. They do not necessarily represent the views of Free State Project Inc., its Directors, its Officers, or its Participants.

Jason's Talk at the Grand Western Conference, 5/25/03

Free State Project and the West

The title I was given for my talk is "The Free State Project and the West." It's an intentionally vague title, and my remarks are actually going to be very wide-ranging.

Yesterday we heard some lions of the libertarian movement give their perspectives on a future "Free State," what it might look like and how we could get there. Today we heard able and persuasive presentations from representatives from Idaho, Montana, South Dakota, and Wyoming, presenting the reasons why they think their states are the best choices for the Free State Project. As I speak today, we stand at over 3,700 members and are probably about three to four months away from voting on a state. Therefore, both of these questions are critically important: Where should we go? What do we do once we get there?

The Free State Project is intentionally a decentralized, bare-bones affair. Some of the folks I've talked to in some of the states we're considering had gotten the wrong idea of the Project. They had this vision of a tightly-knit, highly disciplined cadre of activists "invading" their state and subjecting it to their will. Of course, nothing could be further from the truth. Any effort of that kind would be doomed to fail, as it would rightly arouse massive opposition.

We hope to get 20,000 freedom lovers to move. We may not end up getting this many, or we may get many more, but this is our goal. In none of the states we're considering will we be close to a majority. Therefore, a "takeover" will never be in the cards. What we libertarians *can* do is to finally get the ideas of limited government and robust individual liberty into the forefront of public debate. In the marketplace of ideas, I think we will ultimately be victorious - all the more so since the ideas we present are ideas that were present in the founding of this country, and ideas that still retain some power in the states that we're considering.

And so this Project is designed to maximize the appeal of the ideas of freedom in that ideological marketplace. Free Staters are a diverse bunch, with divergent backgrounds. Our Statement of Intent simply requires every member to signal a willingness to work for a society in which the maximum role of government is the protection of individuals' rights to life, liberty, and property. In other words, the government should definitely not be involved in providing for people, or in punishing their private vices. This all Free Staters believe. But there is plenty of disagreement too. What else can you expect from a movement that contains both a radical English college student and a crusty Black Hills rancher, both a New York stockbroker and a traditional Amish family? Yes, these are all real people who are members of the Free State Project. We have many different values, but we all hold the core value of freedom, because without freedom, and the absolute obligation to tolerate and respect the autonomy of others that freedom requires, all our other values are meaningless.

So I would say that the Free State Project is nothing more and nothing less than an effort to identify the best state for freedom lovers to live in, and to encourage more freedom lovers to move there and become politically active. Now what's so controversial about that?

The premise behind the Free State Project is sound - concentrating our resources is necessary if we're going to have any chance at seeing true liberty in our lifetime - but the execution will be difficult. The majority of Americans now reject our moral geography: they no longer see freedom at the center. Instead, they see government as a tool they can use to try to control their neighbors, to punish those they don't like, to impose their ideal world with all their special preferences - by force. They lack the courage to live and let live.

But let's not blame them too much. After all, this is a system in which we've all grown up. The government is there to get things done that you couldn't otherwise do, through legitimate methods. So if you think you like traditional values, you vote Republican and want the government to subsidize farms and promote Christianity. If you think you hate rich people, you vote Democrat and want the government to subsidize poverty. If you don't like drugs you want the government to fight a war on nonviolent drug users. If you don't like guns you want the government to fight a war on nonviolent gun owners. Most people don't see anything wrong with that because they separate government from the rest of society. They assume government operates by its own rules. They think, "Of course it would be wrong for *me* to break into someone's home and kidnap him at gunpoint because I thought he was smoking a joint. But if a man with a badge does it, that's The Law." I thought this way once. (Then I turned 15.) But I'm sure most of us did think this way at one time or another.

So we've got a long road ahead of us. We have the right on our side, but we still need to use effective methods to get our message across, especially considering the factors weighing against us. Special interest groups all want their piece of the pie, and they will never go away. Government bureaucracies have an in-built drive to perpetuate themselves, whatever the cost. And to ordinary people, what we are proposing may seem radical and untested. The status quo, despite all its imperfections, is comfortable for most people. The tiny minority of Americans who suffer from the random outbreaks of government brutality or simple incompetence, those who get flung aside or beaten down by the system, are still a tiny, disorganized, powerless minority.

For all these reasons, and more, when it comes to electoral politics, I am a gradualist. I would never lie about my ultimate goals for politics. However, I think we need to stress the intermediate stages of reform. Some reforms simply work better when they're implemented gradually; people often need time to adjust. Gradual reform also creates a constituency for further reform. If as a politician or political party or pressure group you can implement a few policies that work, you build trust for the next reforms you want.

If you look at the most successful national libertarian organizations out there - the Cato Institute, the Reason Foundation, and the Institute for Humane Studies - they are all fully engaged in the issues of the day, whether in national politics or intellectual currents. They're not interested in building abstruse, utopian ideologies; they want to improve things now. And I hope most Free State Project members feel the same way.

Because being involved in the policy debates of the day is so important, we should look for allies wherever we can find them. Earlier in this talk I bashed Democrats and Republicans. Guess what? Many of us, perhaps most of us, will be involved with the Democrats and Republicans. At the state and local levels, the Democratic and Republican parties are open to newcomers and, to a large degree, to new ideas. You can't necessarily predict someone's viewpoint on state and local politics from their party affiliation. In Alaska recently, the Republicans tried to impose a sales tax, and the Democrats resisted. Some Republicans broke ranks and the measure was defeated. In Delaware it was Republicans who pushed through a statewide indoor smoking ban; many Democrats resisted. In New Hampshire, by contrast, Democrats proposed an income tax and were slaughtered at the polls. The new Republican governor there has appointed a card-carrying Libertarian to his Small Government Commission.

Now, we're not going to agree with mainstream Democratic and Republican politicos on everything; we'll have to work with them on an issue by issue basis. But ordinary, grassroots party members - we can really work with them. In Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, and the Dakotas, Republicans are pretty much dominant in state government. In some of these states the Republican leadership has become complacent. Their constituents want them to cut taxes and to stand up to the federal government on issues like property rights, but the leadership pays them no heed, because they figure the Democrats are worse, and no one will vote for them. Of course, Wyoming just elected a Democratic governor. Perhaps this is a sign of grassroots frustration with nowhere else to go.

We need to inject real competition into this two-party oligarchy. That's the only way we'll ever restore a constitutional republic. Now, I'm a Libertarian Party member and have done a lot of activism for that party, but I don't think a Libertarian Party majority will be possible in the Free State. The barriers are simply too high at present. A lot of (small-l) libertarians are disillusioned with the Libertarian Party, just as many conservatives and liberals are disillusioned with the two old parties. There are many reasons for this, but I think I can sum it up as follows: If the Libertarian Party wants to make a philosophical statement, too many of its candidates are not principled enough - or are simply wacky and bizarre; but if the Libertarian Party wants to win elections, its goals and methods are not gradualist and realistic enough.

I don't want to abandon the Libertarian Party at all; I think it should always be there to make that philosophical statement, to keep everyone honest. Perhaps more so, we need people not involved in partisan politics at all, who work for fundamental cultural change. But to create serious political competition in America, history demonstrates that you have to *start* within the current party arrangement. The most successful third parties in history were the Republicans and the Socialists. The Republicans were basically anti-slavery activists who joined the Whigs, used the Whigs for a while, and then jumped ship when they had gotten enough power and recognition, thus destroying the Whigs and replacing them. The Socialists labored in obscurity for a long time, and most Socialists finally joined the Democrats in the 1930s. Thereafter, the Democrats (in national government) were socialistic.

But there's another example from history, that of the non-partisan league. Many of you already know of my interest in this idea. In the early 20th century, the Non-Partisan League was a powerful force in the Dakotas and Montana. They endorsed candidates from both parties - but mostly from the Republicans, who were dominant - on the basis of their support for agricultural subsidies. The NPL governed North Dakota for various periods in the first half of the 20th century and accomplished almost all of their major aims. In the late 20th century, the Christian Right took over a party known for its comfortable Main-Street, country-club centrism, the Republicans. The Republican Party platform is essentially a Christian Right manifesto. Of course, Republican candidates generally have to run to the center on issues like school prayer and abortion, lest they make themselves a permanent minority. Nevertheless, this is a clear case of successful activism within the oligarchic system.

Personally, I will work to establish something like a non-partisan voters' league in whatever state we choose. I want to get in touch with taxpayers' groups, gun-rights groups, civil-liberties groups, and everyone else sympathetic to us in our chosen state. I want to talk to them about what *they* need, where they see a need for additional activism and resources. I want to coordinate the efforts of the *entire* freedom community so that we can exert concentrated pressure on state government. I foresee that this will require some organization that develops a parsimonious set of attainable political goals, and then endorses candidates on the basis of their support for these goals. Candidates that are in more or less full agreement with the organization's goals would additionally qualify for campaign funding. Somewhere down the line, a totally new, local political party will probably be necessary, to press our unique demands for decentralization. This should happen when we have high-profile supporters in government who are willing to go the independent route and set up this new party. Possibly by that point, we would have changed some of the institutional barriers to a multi-party system.

Due in large part to the FSP, libertarians are now thinking about what state governments can do. So we all know that state and local governments have control over zoning, utilities, most transportation, education, and a great deal of criminal law. But what can we do at the state level to pry loose the clutches of the federal government? Gary Marbut got a resolution through the Montana legislature expressing their support for requiring federal agents to operate in the state only with the consent of county sheriffs. We can go further: end cooperation with the feds, end cross-deputization of federal agents, and if necessary, arresting federal officers if they violate the state constitution. What if California were doing this right now with medical marijuana? Another issue that at first blush we could do nothing about is the Federal Reserve System. The federal government has full control over the Federal Reserve System and the dollar. But here's one idea that's been floating around: If we chose a state with a sales tax, we could pass a law stating that if you paid for your transaction with a gold or silver backed currency, you would be exempt from sales tax. That's one way to start moving toward a fully private, competitive market in currency. Now, I don't know if it would work, but it's worth looking into.

Of course, elections are just one small piece of the puzzle. We can't expect to win elections unless we win the hearts and minds of our fellow citizens. We'll need thinktanks, we'll need media, and most of all... We will need to create voluntary associations and programs that take care of social problems better than government does, thereby helping make our communities stronger and demonstrating that our ideas really do work. After all, freedom is not an excuse for laziness or indifference; quite the opposite. State co-optation of voluntary, ground-up solutions is what's responsible for community deterioration and rising indifference. We have to turn that around, and it will require a lot of sweat and a good bit of hard-earned cash too.

Now, my personal goals that I've just stated are my own opinions, not necessarily those of the Free State Project. The FSP, again, is a decentralized, bare-bones operation - it's not a political action group, just a framework for a very specific task, getting freedom lovers to move to a single state. So all the opinions I've just stated are fully up for discussion, and I know there are people in the FSP who will disagree with a point or two. There are those who will stay in the LP no matter what, some who will avoid partisan politics at all costs, and many I've spoken to like the idea of a Non-Partisan League and a new party somewhere down the road. We don't need a consensus, because all those people have niches to fill and jobs to perform.

But this is precisely the point of my talk - to get a discussion going. We are close to 5,000. Pretty soon we will know our new home. Every one of us needs to start thinking now about the practicalities of this thing, and getting prepared. Most importantly, every one of us needs to get our financial houses in order - pay off debt and build savings. If we can, we need to acquire new skills, because some of us will have to make career changes; I don't think there's any way around that. In order to cast a knowledgeable ballot, we need to take a good hard look at these states and see how they measure up against each other - both in terms of possibilities for political success and personal desirability. Study the State Data page on our website, play with the state comparison spreadsheets, join our discussion groups and chat about which state is best. Then we need to think about what, concretely, we are going to do to advance the cause of liberty in our lifetime in our neighborhoods, towns, and state.

Where should we go? What should we do once we get there? People will have different opinions, but when an historic opportunity is this close at hand, I think we'll all focus, and the best solutions will rise to the top. In the history of the Free State Project, that's the way things have always worked - I think the reason for that is that we're so close to our dream of freedom that we can almost taste it. And that's the reason I'm so proud of how far all of you have taken this little idea already.

Thank you.