NH and the FSP - Chat
This Thursday evening Nov 4, 2004 at 9pm ET, we have a panel of NH
residents available to answer your questions about NH and the FSP. Please bring
your questions and join our chat at freestateproject.org/chat. The NH
residents include George Reich, Rich Tomasso, Jack Shimek and Fred Mitchell.
Hope to see you there!
Here's a transcript of the chat that took place:
[21:13] <Kat> Tonight we have NH residents Fred Mitchell (freedomfred)
[21:14] <Kat> Jack Shimek (jaqeboy) from Amherst, NH
[21:14] <jaqeboy> I'm a native of Texas, Mechanical Engineer, have
been in NH for 27 years
[21:14] <freedomfred> I've lived in NH for over 6 years now.
[21:14] <JonM> I've lived near NH for 10!
[21:14] <Kat> and Rich Tomasso (Rich_T) also from Nashua
[21:15] <Kat> Great, Jon...you can answer questions too :)
[21:15] <Rich_T> Hi! I've got a background in software and
writing/editing. Done plenty of campaign and media work for the LP and others.
[21:15] <matthew> Jaqe, I'm in Texas and studying to be an Engineer.
[21:15] <freedomfred> When I relocated here, I had a choice between NH
and MA -- well, the choice was pretty darn clear cut!
[21:15] <jaqeboy> Yay!
[21:15] <JonM> I can tell you how ugly route 3 looks during commute
[21:15] <jaqeboy> go for it
[21:16] <Pat> how ugly is it?
[21:16] <Kat> it's not LA
[21:16] <matthew> How is employment for Engineers in NH?
[21:16] <freedomfred> I run a hosting service where I focus mostly on
[21:16] <Rich_T> it's so ugly people look for jobs in NH to avoid it.
[21:16] <matthew> I'm attending UTSA now.
[21:16] <JonM> click on route 3 on there at about 5:30 tomorrow
[21:16] <jaqeboy> hmm, probably not that great
[21:16] <matthew> :(
[21:17] <jaqeboy> I dropped out and run a handyman/home repair biz
[21:17] <matthew> really?
[21:17] <Rich_T> Route 3 should be a lot better once they finished
adding a lane each way.
[21:17] <Kat> Several members have started to work on a program to
recruit businesses to move to NH
[21:17] <jnoyes> do you need help Ive got all my own tools
[21:17] <jaqeboy> but an old engineering client called me up and I'm
doing some work for him again
[21:17] <JonM> they are widening it for all those NH commuters, but
they're not being wise about it, only going to 3 lanes instead of 4
[21:17] <Johnson> ooh Rachel Mills is in here
[21:17] <jaqeboy> maybe
[21:17] <Kat> That may help job prospects in many areas
[21:17] <freedomfred> Rt 3 reall ugly -- especially with all the
construction -- ugly south of the border, that is.
[21:17] <Johnson> Rachel... you rock..
[21:18] <JonM> when you hit the NH border on route 3 it goes from 2
lanes to about 5
[21:18] <adam> Any particular type of businesses?
[21:18] <JonM> and in a couple of miles right back to 2
[21:18] <Rich_T> doesn't go down to 2 until you leave nashua
[21:18] <JonM> luckily all the mall traffic gets off at the last exit
in MA, #36
[21:18] <jnoyes> show of hands who is going to the 2005 porcfest
[21:18] <freedomfred> At that point, it's the Everret TPK, and traffic
is tolerable on it.
[21:19] <adam> Where and when?
[21:19] <svillee> I plan to attend the 2005 porcfest
[21:19] <jnoyes> ~25th july
[21:19] <spike> Carol and I are going. - Dan McGuire
[21:19] * Rich_T raises hand
[21:19] <JonM> the mall in Nashua as a little corner cut out of the JC
Penny, because that part of the land is in Massachusetts
[21:19] <JonM> and MA wanted to collect sales taxes because of it
[21:19] <adam> Will it be a three day event? What is the best day to
attend if one can't be there for the entire event?
[21:20] <Pat> MY hand is up
[21:20] <Pat> can I put it down now?
[21:20] <spike> Saturday
[21:20] <jnoyes> not that I want to tank anyones B&B but my
grandmother has a 1/2 acre near manchester NH I plan on camping
[21:20] <russellkanning> porcfest 2005 :)
[21:20] <freedomfred> What's up Pat?
[21:21] <Pat> oh nothing I was raisingmy hand for thrporc fest
[21:21] <jsorens> mary & i will be there of course :)
[21:21] <DubleQwik> Good Evening, All...
[21:21] <jnoyes> evening
[21:21] <freedomfred> Yes, be there.
[21:21] <Kat> I'll be at the next porcfest
[21:22] <jsorens> i have a question, a very specific one
[21:22] <Kat> If you have questions, just go ahead and fire away
[21:22] <jnoyes> oh yeah company is welcome on that little spot of
[21:22] <freedomfred> I missed the 2004 porcfest much to my regret,
but rather extraordinary events were taking place personally. Next year, I will
definitely be there.
[21:23] <jsorens> do any of you know anything particularly interesting
about new england college in nashua? i applied for a job there.
[21:23] <JonM> there's a college in nashua? <G>
[21:23] <jaqeboy> several
[21:23] <freedomfred> There's the Daniel Webster college
[21:23] <adam> I've thought about going.
[21:23] <Rich_T> I think it's mostly a business school.
[21:23] <JonM> c'mon, you know you want to teach at Dartmouth
[21:23] <freedomfred> and also Rivier -- both in Nashua
[21:23] <jaqeboy> don't knowanything particular about NEC, Nashua
[21:23] <JonM> bastion of free speech that it is
[21:23] <jnoyes> dummy question where is dartmouth?
[21:23] <jsorens> of course i do jon but ill take what i can get ;)
[21:24] <adam> Dartmouth is too liberal!
[21:24] <Rich_T> do you know where the campus is?
[21:24] <JonM> of course, and they need token non liberals
[21:24] <matthew> To those of you who have houses, would you mind
sharing what your taxes actually cost you last year?
[21:24] * FTL_Ian points at the user count
[21:24] <Kat> cool, ian
[21:24] <jnoyes> good idea
[21:24] <freedomfred> Daniel Webster is mostly IT oriented. Rivier is
mostly Nursing oriented, I believe.
[21:24] <jaqeboy> on Amherst Street
[21:24] <DubleQwik> Is the Free State Project actually moving towards
[21:24] <Rich_T> Revier focuses mostly on liberal arts
[21:24] <jsorens> nec looks like a small liberal arts college, not
[21:25] <JonM> signups have picked up a bit of steam lately
[21:25] <Kat> Several people have moved. We're having an effect on NH
[21:25] * Lindsey looks at the user count, claps at Ian
[21:25] <Lindsey> :-P
[21:25] <jaqeboy> Daniel Webster College is an aviation school mostly,
but added IT, Fred
[21:25] <Mallory> Dartmouth is in Hanover, jnoyes
[21:25] <jnoyes> thanks
[21:25] <matthew> My wife asks "Do you actually have real seasons, or
is there just a month of summer and cold for the rest of the year"?
[21:25] <adam> As an outsider I've noticed tremendous progress in the
last six months.
[21:25] <Rich_T> clap for Kat too, she promoted the hell out of this
[21:25] <JonM> heh
[21:25] <svillee> My property tax bill is $1352 for 2004
[21:25] <JonM> there was no spring this year
[21:25] <freedomfred> Ok, right. Forgot about that. After all, DW is
right next to the airport in Nashua.
[21:25] <JonM> but we had several months of very nice summer
[21:25] <adam> Northern Maine has three days of summer and eight
months of winter.
[21:25] <Adam_Selene> Wait for my code-word DubleQwik. When I give
the codeword 'TANSTAAFL' the FSP revolution begins ;)
[21:26] <JonM> heck it was 70 last sunday
[21:26] <Johnson> So, I found this interesting...
[21:26] <Johnson> take a look at VT
[21:26] <jnoyes> wow I looked at a 36000 house in harrisburg taxes
were 3000 a year
[21:26] <Kat> I've seen two seasons here, since I moved in June
[21:26] <freedomfred> Taxes in Nashua are a bit steep -- I'm paying
approx $5000 a year.
[21:26] <spike> Progress? The election results seem negative to me.
[21:26] <JonM> nashua and salem have the benefit of the retail
businesses to offset their taxes, but then they go and have all those services
[21:26] <Kat> My taxes should be about $900
[21:27] <DubleQwik> LOL...Adam, I waited in the 70s for "the
revolution" and then spent 20 years in the Army when
[21:27] <DubleQwik> the revolution faded away....
[21:27] <matthew> I think here a $140K house will be taxed ~4200/yr
[21:27] <Rich_T> johnson - Bernie sanders is a socialist, not an
[21:27] <JonM> the revolution will not be televised, it will be
[21:27] <JonM> and you can thank Jim Jeffords for a gallon of milk
costing me $3 today
[21:27] <Johnson> Rich_T: I just thought it was interesting how 3rd
party candidates dominated there
[21:27] <freedomfred> We *are* the revolution in progress
[21:27] <Johnson> and there only
[21:28] <jnoyes> speaking of revolution what specific bits of
legislation will FSB for or against
[21:28] <jnoyes> fsp
[21:28] <Johnson> and seemingly in every county in VT
[21:28] <JonM> there 3rd party cause they're too nuts for the
[21:28] <Johnson> seems like there is something to be learned there
[21:28] <jaqeboy> Jason, do you want us to check on anything at
NewEngland College, Nashua?
[21:28] <Rich_T> VT does have a strong Progressive party and some
other points of strength for 3rd parties.
[21:28] <Mallory> Tish
[21:28] <FTL_Ian> FSP does not support or oppose legislation
[21:28] <FTL_Ian> jnoyes
[21:28] <Johnson> Rich_T: how did they attain that I wonder?
[21:28] <Rich_T> I'm sure Hardy Macia could fill you in better though.
[21:28] <jsorens> each of the northern new england states has its own
character... vt is independent & socialist-leaning, nh is independent and
libertarian-leaning, & me is independent and populist
[21:29] <Mallory> I lived in VT...they weren't that nuts.
[21:29] <Johnson> that open mindedness to 3rd parties
[21:29] <jnoyes> okay the purpose is to get us there
[21:29] <JonM> MA is the bitch of the Democrats
[21:29] <jsorens> jaqeboy - not really, just wanted to find out any
inside info if anyone had any...
[21:29] <jaqeboy> k
[21:29] <jnoyes> but what would the people in NH already there like to
see changed or remain the same
[21:29] <Rich_T> depends on whom you ask.
[21:30] <jnoyes> who is here to ask, cus Im asking
[21:30] <FTL_Ian> Hopefully the ones who disagree with us will move
[21:30] <svillee> I'm actually pretty happy with the way things are
[21:30] <freedomfred> The politics in NH is not your normal cup of tea
-- which is a good thing in my book.
[21:30] <Mallory> That's nice, Ian, pushing people out of their state
[21:30] <Kat> I'd like to see homeschooling laws loosened up
[21:30] <jnoyes> good what else?
[21:30] <JonM> the further north you go, the more people will seem to
be live and let live
[21:31] <adam> Maybe we need to study the politics of Vermont to
discover why third parties do well there
[21:31] <svillee> I guess we could dump that interest and dividends
[21:31] <JonM> well Jim Jeffords is an Independent, but was elected as
a republican, and brings home pork
[21:31] <Rich_T> I think the biggest areas of support FSPers could
find are: 1) school choice, 2) lowering taxes, 3) anything else that helps
economic development but not turn NH into a strip mall.
[21:31] <freedomfred> I'm homeschooling my daughter again. She was in
public school for a couple of months, but grew tired of it.
[21:31] <Kat> Great, Fred!
[21:31] <JonM> need to lower business enterprise tax if you want more
businesses to move in
[21:32] <JonM> that's the grouse for companies in northern MA
[21:32] <Bramblecroft> I found the FSP website by searching on the key
word "self-sufficiency" What does that term have to do with FSP?
[21:32] <Rich_T> Yeah, we could build a coalition to work on lowering
[21:32] <adam> business tax should be little or none
[21:32] <JonM> 8.5% is more than Mass charges
[21:32] <jnoyes> personally I like local business but am leery of
walmart and trans-nat corporations
[21:32] <freedomfred> None is preferred.
[21:32] <svillee> Does MA have any equivalent tax?
[21:33] <JonM> heh
[21:33] <Rich_T> MA has a personal and business tax, plus a steep
capital gains tax.
[21:33] <Kat> I think a lot of freestaters are interested in self
sufficiency. There was a lot of talk about setting up a self sufficient
[21:33] <JonM> there isn't much in Mass that's not taxed
[21:33] <freedomfred> NH also has a dividend tax, which is annoying.
[21:33] <jnoyes> is there one already if not Im starting one
[21:33] <Johnson> Bramblecroft: most FSP memebr are libertarians...
you'd do well to read some materials at www.lp.org
[21:33] <JonM> clothes $175 or less per item...food that isn't
[21:33] <JonM> can't think of anything else
[21:33] <matthew> How does the NH Food Tax work?
[21:33] <JonM> prepared foods 8%
[21:33] <JonM> no taxes on unprepared
[21:33] <Rich_T> eating out adds 8%
[21:34] <jaqeboy> It's a room & meals tax
[21:34] <jaqeboy> supposedly to tax the tourists
[21:34] <Bramblecroft> thanks, I will...
[21:34] <freedomfred> If you must work in Mass, they tax income at a
5.6% rate or so.
[21:34] <FTL_Ian> Mallory: no one is pushing people out of NH.
Hopefully, they'll wise up and leave on their own, if they don't like the
[21:34] <matthew> ah, ok. I was worried it was on groceries. I
[21:34] <svillee> So even with our existing B E tax, NH should still
be attractive to MA businesses.
[21:34] <Johnson> oooh that sucks... I eat out a lot
[21:34] <JonM> 5.35% right now
[21:34] <jaqeboy> not on groceries
[21:34] <Lindsey> Yeah you do
[21:34] <Lindsey> :-P
[21:34] * Mallory pats Ian's head
[21:34] <Mallory> Okay
[21:34] <JonM> nah, I tried to get my business to move to NH, but the
BET did it in
[21:35] <Rich_T> NH does have advantage business wise - no personal
imcome tax or sales tax attracts workers.
[21:35] <FTL_Ian> Johnson, make your own meals. You do want to be a
homeowner, right? Eating out eats right into your mortgage payments.
[21:35] <freedomfred> Lots of good restarunts in the Manchester and
[21:35] <JonM> the MA income tax was supposed to drop to 5%...love our
legislature, the best that money can buy
[21:35] <jnoyes> how much of NH's economic center is Boston?
[21:35] <adam> Florida has a 1% tax on all stock you own. And you pay
it every year
[21:35] <Lindsey> Johnson...cooking...
[21:35] <Kat> not like San francisco restaurants though
[21:35] <Mallory> Johnson: Keep food at your house :-P. It's really
not that expensive if you know how to shop correctly.
[21:35] <matthew> Are pre-packaged foods like Soda drinks and chips
[21:35] * Lindsey snickers
[21:35] <JonM> not just stock adam, net worth with exclusions afaik
[21:35] <Kat> I almost never go out to eat any more
[21:35] <Rich_T> We're #4 nationally for venture capital. Fewer
licensing laws. I'm pretty sure the cost of living is less all around.
[21:35] <Johnson> I hate cooking
[21:35] <Mallory> Tish
[21:35] <jaqeboy> many people commute into northern Mass, some all the
way into Boston
[21:35] <Johnson> mostly becuase I hate cleaning
[21:35] <Lindsey> Do you want me to come cook for you?
[21:35] <Lindsey> :-P
[21:35] <freedomfred> Some good ones as well just south of the border.
You can pretty much find your favorite cusine without too much ado.
[21:36] <Kat> woo woo
[21:36] <Mallory> Yeah me and Lindsey will come cook for you, okay?
[21:36] <Mallory> :-P
[21:36] <Johnson> actually I shouldn't say I hate cooking
[21:36] <jnoyes> and ill do dishes ;)
[21:36] <Johnson> hahah
[21:36] <jsorens> matthew: soda & chips not taxed, but prepared
sandwiches that you get at the supermarket are
[21:36] <jaqeboy> therewas a snack tax, right?
[21:36] <Lindsey> And I'm going to make your bed
[21:36] <Johnson> I like cooking a lot... I just hate cleaning
[21:36] <FTL_Ian> Johnson: microwave food
[21:36] <Lindsey> :-P
[21:36] <matthew> Thanks jaqe :)
[21:36] <Lindsey> Without extra stuff in it
[21:36] <Mallory> Well fine, we'll clean for you
[21:36] <Lindsey> :-P
[21:36] <JonM> MA meals tax is 5%
[21:36] <Mallory> I like cleaning
[21:36] <Johnson> Ian: GROSS
[21:36] <Mallory> Especially doing dishes
[21:36] <matthew> err. jsorens i eman
[21:36] <Mallory> It's very satisfying
[21:36] <Lindsey> Yeah, what he said
[21:37] <Lindsey> I do dishes quickly, but I also do them well
[21:37] <Johnson> I prefer things made via Toaster Over
[21:37] <Lindsey> I've never used a dishwasher
[21:37] <Johnson> *oven
[21:37] <JonM> heh
[21:37] <JonM> I can cook AND bake!
[21:37] * JonM grins
[21:37] <jnoyes> anyone know any good NH real-estate agents btw
[21:38] <Kat> so dinner at Jon's house?
[21:38] <jaqeboy> whatarea of the state?
[21:38] <freedomfred> My harem cooks for me. :-)
[21:38] <JonM> a few have posted to the forums
[21:38] <jnoyes> pot luck
[21:38] <Kat> I know a couple in the Keene area, jnoyes
[21:38] <jnoyes> coos, grafton
[21:38] <matthew> I was looking at a movers guide, and thoughout most
of the state of NH it was cheaper to rent than it is here in San Antonio.
however, when considering purchasing, the cost was much higher.
[21:38] <Lindsey> I'm just good at everything I do
[21:38] <Lindsey> :-P
[21:38] <Kat> Grafton yes
[21:38] <JonM> NH does not have the consumer protection laws that MA
has for home buyers, so you will need someone to look out for you
[21:38] <jnoyes> explain "look out"
[21:39] <jaqeboy> there is Dave Walthour in Grafton
[21:39] <adam> Cheaper to rent than buy?
[21:39] <Mallory> Okay Lindsey *pats your head*
[21:39] <JonM> make sure the septic system is ok
[21:39] <JonM> things like that
[21:39] <jnoyes> gotcha
[21:39] <jnoyes> whats the soil like
[21:39] <JonM> In MA it's the law you must inspect your septic system
before selling your house
[21:39] <jnoyes> lotta sand mounds out there
[21:39] <freedomfred> Depends on where you live.
[21:39] <Kat> Dave Walthour is pro-fsp and a really great guy
[21:39] <Lindsey> Oh you know it's true, Mal
[21:39] <jnoyes> okay where you live then
[21:39] <matthew> adam, yes. on a per year basis. according to
[21:39] <svillee> The buyer should always get a full home inspection.
[21:40] <adam> Anyone familiar with Rochester, NH?
[21:40] <jaqeboy> I rent from another libertarian
[21:40] <jaqeboy> and rent a room out to a libertarian
[21:40] <JonM> heh
[21:40] <Mallory> Yeah I know, Lindsey :-P
[21:40] <JonM> rent it forward
[21:40] <jaqeboy> rite
[21:40] <Kat> George Reich couldn't get connected to the chat, but
says Hello to everyone and would be willing to answer email questions. He's at
[21:40] <JonM> did he try a standalone client?
[21:40] <jaqeboy> he's in Rochester
[21:41] <Kat> Dover
[21:41] <adam> Thanks, matthew
[21:41] <jaqeboy> k
[21:41] * JonM knows the IRC
[21:41] <Lindsey> He could try the awful applet-ness on the Free Talk
[21:41] * Lindsey shudders at the thought
[21:41] <JonM> bah, just install mIRC, it's like a real IRC client
[21:41] <jnoyes> uhm arent I on that?
[21:41] <matthew> The applet wouldn't connect for me. Actually mIRC
took forever too.
[21:41] <Rich_T> bersIRC works well too
[21:41] * Mallory pets mIRC
[21:42] <matthew> It tooks 9 tries.
[21:42] <Lindsey> Humm...odd
[21:42] <JonM> I run bersirc on EFNet, but it's a bit...buggy
[21:42] <Lindsey> Jesus
[21:42] <Lindsey> Humm...I've been connected all day with no
[21:42] <Johnson> ian has craplet on his site... =)
[21:42] <jnoyes> hey speaking of internet whats the access like in the
[21:42] <Mallory> Yeah and I connected up all spiffy like
[21:42] <adam> Jaqeboy, who is in Rochester
[21:42] <matthew> Are the native NHers friendly to the influx of
[21:42] <Mallory> Yeah, the one on the Taste of the Goods site is
[21:43] <Lindsey> They both suck
[21:43] <Lindsey> :-P
[21:43] <jaqeboy> This native says "come on up"
[21:43] <Lindsey> How did I get on Ian's server again?
[21:43] <jnoyes> looking for a high power array like spokane
[21:43] <jaqeboy> we need reinforcements
[21:43] <JonM> wow, I'm only .15 behind
[21:43] <Kat> I've not met anyone who was not friendly to freestaters.
I usually tell people why I'm here, too
[21:43] <MichaelEdelstein> Hello, everybody.
[21:43] <JonM> you haven't met Kathy Sullivan yet!
[21:43] <adam> I'm interested in Rochester. Anyone from there?
[21:43] <jaqeboy> Geo Reich- actually Dover
[21:43] <Kat> Michael, you made it :)
[21:44] <adam> Thanks
[21:44] <Mallory> I don't know, Lindsey, you need to stop doing that
[21:44] <Lindsey> I do
[21:44] <Lindsey> Hehe
[21:44] <MichaelEdelstein> Yes, I had some visual problems.
[21:44] <Lindsey> I don't know how it happened
[21:45] <Lindsey> Stupid mIRC
[21:45] <Kat> Did you have questions about Rochester, Adam?
[21:45] <Lindsey> I have entirely too many windows open, and I'm
[21:45] <Lindsey> :-P
[21:45] <jaqeboy> is this a computer technology chat?
[21:45] <JonM> maybe some random people could message you
[21:45] <jaqeboy> never mind
[21:46] <Lindsey> Random people did message me
[21:46] <Johnson> hahahh
[21:46] <Lindsey> :-P
[21:46] <JonM> I remember
[21:46] <Lindsey> On like...three different servers
[21:46] <Mallory> No random people message me
[21:46] <Lindsey> Random people message me all the time
[21:46] * JonM is still sequential
[21:46] <Rich_T> a hazard of aol I guess.
[21:46] <Lindsey> Haha
[21:46] <Kat> Any more questions about NH?
[21:46] <matthew> For the last three years my wife has been begging me
to move to the North East. I was adametly against it. After learning of FSP
and NH's already libertarian/constitutional-ist tendancies, I am all for it. I
am so excited about NH now.
[21:46] <Lindsey> I'm telling Daniel that you're my bitch, Ian...
[21:46] <Lindsey> :-P
[21:47] <Kat> Cool, matthew!
[21:47] <JonM> I like the cnn electoral map, it shows every state dark
blue, and NH light blue
[21:47] <jaqeboy> come on up
[21:47] <freedomfred> Come on up!
[21:47] <Kat> I love it here, and I never thought I'd like the east
[21:47] <JonM> even when they go to the dark side, they don't go all
[21:47] <Mallory> What's so wrong about the North East, man?
[21:47] <jnoyes> winter
[21:47] <matthew> Yankees! That's what's wrong
[21:47] <Lindsey> Winter is good
[21:47] <JonM> stay inside
[21:47] * matthew is in trouble now.
[21:47] <Lindsey> I love winter
[21:47] <Lindsey> It's my favorite
[21:47] <Kat> I thought people around Boston were supposed to be
snotty to outsiders
[21:47] <russellkanning> matthew where do you want to move to?
[21:47] <JonM> some are
[21:48] <Mallory> You'll get used to winter rather quickly
[21:48] <JonM> but those aren't the same people
[21:48] <Rich_T> and the NH vote was a strange phenomenon this year.
[21:48] <Kat> But NHites don't seem to be that way
[21:48] <matthew> Havn't decided where yet, move is still 4+ years off
(need to finish school)
[21:48] <freedomfred> The vast majority of Bostonians are cool.
[21:48] <Kat> (in finishing school?)
[21:48] <jsorens> the 'yankees' stereotype is applicable to people in
and around new york city, and possibly boston as well. but not in the less
[21:48] <JonM> I think half of eastern ma works for the city or state
[21:48] <freedomfred> A handful are somewhat annoying -- but you get
[21:48] <Kat> Haven't met any snotty people in boston
[21:48] <JonM> I'm positive half the voters do
[21:49] <freedomfred> They love their Red Sox, though.
[21:49] <adam> I find Bostonians better to deal with than New Yorkers.
[21:49] <Rich_T> well, yeah.
[21:49] <Mallory> I don't like either, personally.
[21:49] <MichaelEdelstein> Excuse me, Adam. I'm from Brooklyn.
[21:49] <jaqeboy> Boston's like a country cross roads compared to NYC
[21:49] <Lindsey> I love New York
[21:49] <Lindsey> Hehe
[21:49] <jnoyes> does anyone know of any local currency initives or
LETS systems in NH(like Ithica hours)
[21:49] <Lindsey> NYC is my favorite place ever
[21:49] <JonM> boston, fun to drive in! funner to walk in!
[21:49] <Lindsey> Hehe
[21:50] <Pat> AS aNew Yorker I can say that almost every where I go
people seem nicer
[21:50] <jaqeboy> There's a Time Bank network
[21:50] <adam> NYC is a nice, exciting place to visit
[21:50] <JonM> I was in boston on the day of game 1
[21:50] <jnoyes> where
[21:50] <matthew> Liberty Dollars is linked off of the FSP website.
[21:50] <jaqeboy> and the Monadnock Freedom Forum had a seminar on
[21:50] <Kat> George Reich is involved in some alternate gold currency
[21:50] <freedomfred> Quite frankly, I have NEVER had a problem with a
Bostonian. I've had a couple of probems with some idiots in the Greater Boston
area. But as a whole, most are cool.
[21:51] <Pat> I almost fell over in Keene this spring when a cop said
"good mornning sir " to me.
[21:51] <matthew> http://libertydollar.org/
[21:51] <Kat> I believe you Fred...that's just what I was told before
I got here
[21:51] <JonM> most individuals are nice, it's groups that cause
[21:51] <Rich_T> GoldMoney.com is run by a guy in NH.
[21:51] <Adam_Selene> What about e-gold? Anyone keen on that?
[21:51] <Kat> Keene police have been nice, ya
[21:51] <jnoyes> currency backed by gold is rather sketchysince the
federal reserve managed to steal much of it all ready
[21:51] <jaqeboy> e-gold works
[21:51] <jaqeboy> used on ebay, etc.
[21:51] <JonM> better than backed by hope
[21:51] <Kat> They had that proposed law to pay NH employees with gold
[21:51] <MichaelEdelstein> Everyone I've met in my recent trips to NH
has been nice.
[21:52] <jsorens> fsp accepts e-gold
[21:52] <Lindsey> Look! It's a saint!
[21:52] <adam> Kat, tell me a little about Rochester. Are there any
colleges within 1/2 hr that offer eveining classes?
[21:52] <stpeter> heh
[21:52] * stpeter listens in
[21:52] <svillee> I have accounts with e-gold, e-bullion, goldmoney
and pecunix. No problems with any of them.
[21:52] <Rich_T> adam - UNH Durham is within that distance.
[21:52] <freedomfred> On the police front -- Mass police are
problematic. As are Nashua police. Concord police are cool, as are the State
[21:53] <Kat> I'd love to be able to tell you about Rochester, but I
don't know. George Reich lives near there and has offered to answer questions.
You could try him at firstname.lastname@example.org
[21:53] <freedomfred> NH State police, that is.
[21:53] <jaqeboy> when more of you are up here, we'll have more
critical mass for having a side money system
[21:53] <jaqeboy> whether gold, or lets, or whatever
[21:53] <Adam_Selene> anyone who wants to help me test my new account
please send some e-gold to account number 1041461 ;)
[21:53] <jnoyes> do they have speeding/parking tickets in NH
[21:53] <MichaelEdelstein> Do they look the other way when confronted
with pot smokers?
[21:53] <Kat> lol Adam
[21:53] <JonM> speeding yes
[21:53] <jaqeboy> parking tix yet
[21:53] <jaqeboy> yes
[21:53] <JonM> be careful on those on ramps
[21:53] <freedomfred> parking, yes, in the urban area.
[21:54] <adam> What is alternate gold?
[21:54] <jnoyes> kind of a conflict of interest dont you think
[21:54] <jaqeboy> comeup and help us restore the streets to the people
[21:54] <jnoyes> all in time
[21:54] <jaqeboy> right to travel, right to park, etc.
[21:54] <Lindsey> Why would they not have parking tickets?
[21:54] <Lindsey> Heh
[21:54] <jnoyes> I plan on running for office
[21:54] <Kat> The streets for the people!!
[21:54] <Mallory> I know, seriously
[21:55] <jaqeboy> because you pay for the streets once in taxes, and
you have a right to use of the public ways
[21:55] <Bramblecroft> So the goal is 20,000 libertarians anywhere in
NH? Not in a central place?
[21:55] <jnoyes> but not til I pay back my school loans and can
actually make a living there ;)
[21:55] <freedomfred> I wouldn't do pot in Nashua. Outside of Nashua
you should be ok.
[21:55] <Pat> Did any body have the thought that theNH state police
might be um told to be on thelook outforout of state cars to ticket at the next
porc fest compliments of the new govener?
[21:55] <Kat> anywhere in NH
[21:55] <Kat> Hi Stephen
[21:55] <Kurt2> wow lots of people
[21:55] <Kurt2> this is great
[21:55] <StephenBennett> Hey Kat! First time here.
[21:55] <Kurt2> I saw something on th FSP in the news
[21:55] <Kurt2> were any of you in there?
[21:55] <StephenBennett> You all forced me to install IE
[21:55] <Kat> :) nice to see you here
[21:55] <freedomfred> I'd have a hard time believing the NH state
police would do that.
[21:56] <StephenBennett> so it took awhile
[21:56] <JonM> bramble: the goal is 20,000 activists, not just voters
[21:56] <Kat> The news where, Kurt?
[21:56] <JonM> spread out works better for activists, they are to
convince others to vote for change
[21:56] * stpeter wonders if there are 20,000 activists for freedom on the
whole planet ;-)
[21:56] <JonM> yeah, but they're dying in other countries
[21:56] <Kurt2> kat some clip on the internet actually
[21:56] <JonM> we're trying to head that off early
[21:56] <jnoyes> hey we are 6000 so far maybe we can sponsor
[21:57] <Pat> just a thought
[21:57] <JonM> we have a few
[21:57] <Lindsey> They're all from Red China
[21:57] <Lindsey> :-P
[21:57] <Kat> Was it a particular channel, Kurt?
[21:57] <StephenBennett> I've read about some people in France liking
[21:57] <stpeter> how about an exchange program with the Movemiento
Libertario in Costa Rica?
[21:57] <Pat> some times Iam paraniod
[21:57] <Kurt2> kat can't remember
[21:57] <matthew> wow, 6000 in NH already?
[21:57] <Adam_Selene> I hail from 14,000 km away
[21:57] <JonM> 6000 signed up to move
[21:57] <Kat> Jason was in the Boston TV show
[21:57] <adam> Thanks for the info Kat. I'll contact George
[21:57] <StephenBennett> Don't know what their nationality is, but
they were blogging about us
[21:57] <matthew> ah, signed up to move. i am one of those.
[21:57] <Rich_T> we could offer to swap a socialist in NH for a
libertarian in another state. LIke an exchange program.
[21:57] <Kat> 311 in NH
[21:57] <JonM> yeah, about that hair Jason . . .
[21:57] <Kurt2> how many have confirmed moving? 60?
[21:58] <Kurt2> nice 311
[21:58] <Kat> great, Rich!
[21:58] <stpeter> ... http://www.libertario.org/en/
[21:58] <JonM> 311 includes those there pre-vote
[21:58] <Kurt2> on an article on the fsp site it says 51
[21:58] <Rich_T> if they trade houses, can probably have to tax
[21:58] <Kat> about that, Kurt...more have actually moved
[21:58] <Kurt2> awesome
[21:58] <Kurt2> I'll probably move in the next few years
[21:58] <Kat> My daughter and I are two :)
[21:58] <Kurt2> I'm in Winnipeg right now
[21:58] <Kat> cool
[21:58] <Kurt2> I'm 24
[21:59] <Kat> lol
[21:59] <matthew> as I am i kurt
[21:59] <StephenBennett> My socialist "friend" here in NH are
energized after Benson going down
[21:59] <matthew> for the next month and half anway.
[21:59] <StephenBennett> (I'm 24 too!)
[21:59] <matthew> my wife, and 2 kids will make 4 :)
[21:59] <JonM> he ddn't go down by much
[21:59] <adam> Did you all read the FSP article in the Washington
Times, NWE two months ago. It was a entire page!!
[21:59] <jnoyes> Id say we take the long view
[21:59] <jsorens> the fsp was featured in a major french tv program
[21:59] <Kurt2> I'm single
[21:59] <Kat> Yeah, that article was great
[21:59] <Kurt2> I live with my brother right now
[21:59] <Kurt2> he's 20
[22:00] <JonM> NH's vote was split so down the middle the cnn map has
almost no shading
[22:00] <JonM> only lower left with Keene
[22:00] <StephenBennett> (Kurt, I was kidding. 24 was long ago. But
I'm single too!)
[22:00] <Kurt2> next election nh will go libertarian for sure
[22:00] <jnoyes> hey kat: what the male female split in FSP for those
of us who are single?
[22:00] <svillee> I would think it would be easier for a French person
to move to Andorra than to NH.
[22:00] <Kat> oh I was gonna say, Stephen!
[22:00] <MichaelEdelstein> We should start looking for a libertarian
candidate for Governer.
[22:00] <adam> I was surprised that Benson lost. Hope the new
residents can get him back in next time around.
[22:01] <Kurt2> I'm German
[22:01] <Kurt2> and Injun
[22:01] <JonM> benson was hammered on ethical issues
[22:01] <jsorens> i think andorra does restrict immigration tightly
tho (as does monaco)
[22:01] <Kat> I'm not sure. I think it's about 60/40. I could do a
[22:01] <Adam_Selene> The research I've done on NH has left me a
little disappointed I must say
[22:01] <JonM> tons of ads on boston TV and radio
[22:01] <adam> Trumped up!
[22:01] <MichaelEdelstein> Perhaps Badnarik will move here and run for
[22:01] <JonM> god knows how much was on NH tv and radio
[22:01] <svillee> More tightly than US?
[22:01] <Adam_Selene> NH seems to me to be very Conservative, not
Libertarian at all
[22:01] <Kat> you have to be a resident for 7 years before you can run
[22:02] <JonM> seems maybe, but isn't
[22:02] <JonM> no helmet law
[22:02] <jaqeboy> it is conservative, by tradition
[22:02] <MichaelEdelstein> In what way do you think it's conservative/
[22:02] <matthew> Consevative and Libertarian are not mutually
[22:02] <jsorens> yeah, more tightly than the us, certainly for
gaining citizenship - b/c theyre small, theyre very sensitive about any influx
[22:02] <Rich_T> Badnarik said he was looking at Gov of TX race.
[22:02] <StephenBennett> Folks, I took Craig's defeat pretty hard. I
had some hope for the direction of the state, and am so far a little bit
wondering if poeple are going to actually move here and make ther difference we
all committed to
[22:02] <matthew> fiscally conservative
[22:02] <JonM> well, old style conservative not neo-con if anything
[22:02] <matthew> yeanot neo-con
[22:02] <jnoyes> yeah you should see what the gop uses as conviction
statement too bad theyre leaders dont hold true to line
[22:02] <Rich_T> We are looking at some LPNH candidates already, for
those who care.
[22:02] <jsorens> adam - no state is libertarian. that's the reason
we need the fsp! but nh has some libertarian leanings, and is small enough to
[22:03] <Kat> Funny story: riding with oldtimer NH resident...guy
about 80...get to VT border, grumble grumble, seatbelt on. Then when we get
back to NH border, seatbelt immediately goes off
[22:03] <JonM> NH has an ingrained political activity that makes many
people willing to listen to other ideas
[22:03] <jnoyes> how is governer elected in NH
[22:03] <StephenBennett> Kat, it's the principle of it, not that it's
[22:03] <freedomfred> I think Craig's defeat was an abberation of the
[22:03] <JonM> popular vote, every 2 years
[22:03] <Rich_T> The Dems pulled out all the stops to win NH. Stuff no
one here has ever seen.
[22:03] <Bramblecroft> Is there any particular area other than NH that
has a high concentration of libertarians?
[22:03] <adam> Jason, I agree
[22:04] <Kat> The dems had so many people up from MASS
[22:04] <stpeter> Bramblecroft: Alaska?
[22:04] <jnoyes> representative or direct popular vote?
[22:04] <jaqeboy> direct
[22:04] <Rich_T> party membership follows the population spread of the
state. I can check the old registration list for a wider sample.
[22:04] <Kat> Stephen, it really cracked me up
[22:04] <jnoyes> wow maybe we should go door to door
[22:04] <adam> Didn't NH have libratarians as their second party
behind Republicans a number of years back?
[22:04] <jsorens> sry, didnt mean to confuse, my comment was directed
to adam_selene :)
[22:05] <StephenBennett> Yeah, and I wonder about Benson going down,
since this state was the only one that the exit polls were right about. And I
heard about buses with voters (late registrants) in them. Would love to know
if that is true. Anybody else hear of that?
[22:05] <JonM> if they don't get rid of fusion, should be possible to
get people elected
[22:05] <stpeter> fusion is pretty key
[22:05] <Kat> just what you heard, Stephen
[22:05] <Rich_T> Tons of new voters this year. Yes, they were driving
them to the polls.
[22:05] <JonM> straight ticket balloting is under attack too
[22:05] <Rich_T> I so hope we can get rid of straight ticket.
[22:05] <freedomfred> I had dem get out the vote people hitting my
door virtually every day just before the election.
[22:05] <StephenBennett> Registered from where? I wonder if many are
really living in Mass?
[22:05] <JonM> straight ticket helps fusion
[22:06] <MichaelEdelstein> I heard the Dems were voting early and
often--no matter how long they'd been dead.
[22:06] <Kat> I had 3 phone calls from dems on election day
[22:06] <jsorens> sounds as if same-day registration needs to go,
almost an open invitation to fraud
[22:06] <svillee> Why would they bus MA people to vote for NH
governor? Why would MA people care who is governor of NH?
[22:06] <StephenBennett> Right, Jason
[22:06] <JonM> they have same day because they don't have motor voter
[22:06] <jsorens> ah, i see, another flouting of the feds eh? id
rather make that tradeoff though...
[22:06] <JonM> sv: they've been alleged to bus in college kids to
throw local elections
[22:06] <adam> Benson didn't lose by much and he will be a strong
advocate for FSP
[22:07] <freedomfred> In NH, you can register right at the polls.
[22:07] <Rich_T> the allegeded MA voter in NH is for president, not
[22:07] <adam> 30 days minimum.
[22:07] <StephenBennett> Well, when I was at a Debate, there were
buses of Teamsters up from MAss, and they even brought up a large
[22:07] <jsorens> they couldve just come to vote for kerry & then
cast the straight ticket
[22:07] <JonM> same day registration is how Jesse Venture became
governor of Minnesota
[22:07] <adam> ME too!
[22:08] <StephenBennett> And then hit a friend of mine (who was
holding a Benson sign) on the head, bloody mess
[22:08] <svillee> Oh I see, so they can vote twice, once in MA and
once in NH
[22:08] <StephenBennett> Not too much blood actually, but makes for
[22:08] <JonM> the problem is there were no ID checks in NH
[22:08] <Kat> oh did you know that girl?
[22:08] <JonM> you could just have a "neighbor" vouch for you
[22:08] <StephenBennett> Yes, I do
[22:08] <JonM> but then, I've never been ID'd in MA to vote either
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[22:08] <Kat> That was really ugly :(
[22:08] <StephenBennett> (She lived)
[22:08] <StephenBennett> :-)
[22:09] <jsorens> and nh was known to be a swing state, ma wasnt...
[22:09] <JonM> give address, give name, get ballot, vote, give
address, give name, feed it to machine
[22:09] <adam> Good night, talk to you next time! Enjoyed this
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[22:09] <StephenBennett> Well, my guess is that they voted both places
[22:09] <jsorens> i was id'ed in ct, and we dont have same-day reg
[22:09] <JonM> at least they stopped posting the voting list outside
the polling place
[22:09] <StephenBennett> Neither was I
[22:09] <StephenBennett> No signature was required either
[22:10] <JonM> in Florida I had a voting ID card
[22:10] <StephenBennett> No ID, no signature, no vouch
[22:10] <JonM> but I moved away before I ever voted in person
[22:10] <MichaelEdelstein> How influential is the taxpayer's assoc. in
[22:10] <Rich_T> they keep trying to get a basic "show an ID" law in
NH, but it always gets defeated. Maybe with all the stories of alleged voting
irregularities it may have a push to get though.
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[22:10] <JonM> and we know what happens to military absentee ballots
[22:10] <JonM> the problem is show an id is so anti-libertarian
[22:11] <StephenBennett> Geesh, and we had a friend in Craig Benson.
I seriuosly doubt the same treatment by Lynch
[22:11] <JonM> lynch has a republican state house to deal with
[22:11] <StephenBennett> Well, that's why we should be able to vouch
[22:11] <StephenBennett> and we should have more polling places
[22:11] <freedomfred> Personally, I like not having to show an ID, but
anyone who abuses that should go to jail.
[22:11] <jsorens> lynch will not go out of his way to do anything for
us, thats probably true. but he will be a weak gov, facing a repub legislature
& exec council
[22:11] <StephenBennett> manned by people who know everyone
[22:11] <jaqeboy> Michael, there are 2 good powerful state-wide
[22:12] <JonM> and just 2 years, though I believe Benson holds a
record as the first first term governor seeking re-election to be defeated
[22:12] <jaqeboy> and many local city or town groups
[22:12] <StephenBennett> Yes, but Dave Wheeler (closet Libertarian)
got defeated at the Exec Council too
[22:12] <JonM> most of the politcs that affect you in NH occur at the
[22:12] <StephenBennett> By a dem
[22:12] <jnoyes> hey a little polling: could you guys state what you
dont like about the independent, green, and constitution parties
[22:12] <stpeter> JonM: I think the last one was in 1952 or something
[22:12] * stpeter googles
[22:12] <MichaelEdelstein> jageboy: In which cities are the two groups
[22:13] <StephenBennett> My brother said that the Constitutionalists
got a big showing in UTAH
[22:13] <freedomfred> Darn -- I like Dave Wheeler. He came to the
Parents Rights March in DC back in 98 or 99.
[22:13] <StephenBennett> (he lives in Salt Lake City)
[22:13] <Kat> Cool stephen
[22:13] <StephenBennett> Right Fred. Good guy, liberty oriented
[22:13] <Rich_T> Wheeler also helped out someone with a gun permit
even though he lived outside his district.
[22:14] <JonM> 6168, count is going up today
[22:14] <jaqeboy> Coalition of New Hampshire Taxpayers, President Ed
[22:14] <jaqeboy> http://www.cnht.org
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[22:14] <JonM> maybe 7000 by dec 31 isn't a pipe dream after all
[22:14] <jaqeboy> Granite State Taxpayers, was Roy Stewart, President,
[22:14] <StephenBennett> Jon, like you said, the local politics matter
most. That's the bummer (results from the elections)
[22:14] <MichaelEdelstein> Thanks, j'boy.
[22:15] <freedomfred> I think many who got kicked out this time around
will have a good chance to get back in in two years.
[22:15] <JonM> stephen: the real stuff happens in the spring, if you
have town meeting that's better
[22:15] <jsorens> some of the worst statists got kicked out too,
[22:15] <MichaelEdelstein> Does anyone know what city the Granite
State Taxpayers are based in?
[22:15] <StephenBennett> Yeah, but I can tell you the Craig's going
back to business
[22:15] <jaqeboy> will try tofind out Michael
[22:15] <stpeter> "first challenger since 1926 to defeat a first-term
governor seeking reelection in New Hampshire" ... source:
[22:15] <StephenBennett> (after the good ole boys habded him his ass)
[22:15] <StephenBennett> handed
[22:15] <MichaelEdelstein> Thanks, jboy.
[22:15] <JonM> it was what, 13,000 votes?
[22:16] <jsorens> there is also citizens for a sound economy, they are
strong in bedford
[22:16] <JonM> all people there to give NH to kerry
[22:16] <JonM> didn't CSE walk away from the bedford branch?
[22:16] <MichaelEdelstein> Jason, Does CSE focus on NH issues?
[22:16] <jsorens> yes
[22:16] <JonM> I recall some sort of riff
[22:16] <jsorens> you may be right jon
[22:17] <jsorens> i just know the bedford cse guy posts on the fsp
[22:17] <JonM> CSE was fighting tooth and nail on some shady school
[22:17] <StephenBennett> I hear that Goiv Benson really pissed off
Concord (the legislature olf timers) and they worked for his defeat
[22:17] <stpeter> CSE is a national organization with local affiliates
[22:17] <MichaelEdelstein> Great! Do you know of any of their NH
[22:17] <JonM> I do believe bedford students still go to manchester
[22:17] <stpeter> MichaelEdelstein: I don't, no
[22:18] <Rich_T> CSE did stop a bond issue or tax increase last year
in a special election.
[22:18] <StephenBennett> And I was also bummed to see the
Contitutional amendment go down, especially in light of the recent S.C.
[22:18] <StephenBennett> Constitutional
[22:18] <Rich_T> the voter guide on Q1 got pulled, which hurt it's
chances to reach 67% needed.
[22:18] <StephenBennett> (Even though we got 60K votes more than "no")
[22:18] <Anon4815> Michael, just one quick GST item:
[22:18] <stpeter> were there local elections in NH this year? I have
not seen coverage of them
[22:19] <JonM> But now, according to a statement from the national
headquarters of Citizens for a Sound Economy, the Bedford group has lost its
affiliation with the national parent organization, due to its focus on local
issues in Bedford and the consequent exclusion of CSE?s national agenda.
[22:19] <jsorens> heres an item from bedford cse:
[22:19] <MichaelEdelstein> Thanks, anon.
[22:19] <stpeter> ah, who needs national parent organization?
[22:20] <Rich_T> Derry also has a good taxpayers group.
[22:20] <jaqeboy> Nashua Taxpayers Association - NTA
[22:20] <JonM> national CSE is no more
[22:20] <JonM> it's merged with Empower America
[22:20] <MichaelEdelstein> Rich, do you know their name?
[22:20] <StephenBennett> Hey, Jason, I know you must get this q a lot,
but anyway . . . How are the recruiting efforts going?
[22:20] <JonM> better than before, not as good as it could be
[22:20] <StephenBennett> (And what can I do besides signing up the 5
people I have)
[22:21] <Rich_T> derrytax.org
[22:21] <MichaelEdelstein> Stephen: get the word out, inform others.
[22:21] <FTL_Ian> Stephen: I can answer. They just jumped.
[22:21] <FTL_Ian> Let's keep them rising.
[22:21] <MichaelEdelstein> Thanks, Rich.
[22:21] <Rich_T> isn't there a recruiting chat coming up?
[22:22] <Kat> Yes, next week
[22:22] <Lindsey> If anyone cares, I wore a Badnarik sign on my butt
on Monday all day at school to make an attempt at advertisement
[22:22] <Lindsey> :-P
[22:22] <jsorens> well, recruiting is still below where it needs to
be. we are trying new things, such as a direct mailing to mass libertarians,
and possibly a radio campaign in maryland.
[22:22] <JonM> stephen: get the url tattooed on your forehead!
[22:22] * FTL_Ian laughs
[22:22] <Kat> hello!
[22:22] <jsorens> website traffic has increased significantly over the
past couple of weeks, and signups have increased some too
[22:22] <StephenBennett> Hey, I have to take a telephone call for
awhile (from the West Coast). Will be back in a few . . .
[22:23] <FTL_Ian> jsorens: FSP ads run during Free Talk Live,
[22:23] <Lindsey> People were amused by the fact that I had the word
BADNARIK on my ass...
[22:23] <Lindsey> Yes...terrible FSP ads
[22:23] <Lindsey> :-P
[22:23] <FTL_Ian> I'm writing a new one
[22:23] <Kat> a tattoo, Lindsey?
[22:23] <FTL_Ian> :P
[22:23] <MichaelEdelstein> How's contributions, with the new messages
on the website?
[22:23] <jsorens> writing lte's, posting flyers, handing out brochures
at events, and talking to friends are still extremely effective ways of getting
the word out that don't cost (much) money
[22:23] <stpeter> is The Quill still being published?
[22:23] <JonM> jason: I tried to recruit Barbara Anderson, of Citizens
for Limited Taxation and Government...no luck so far, she hasn't given up on MA
[22:23] <Lindsey> Oh Jesus...who's doing the recording for the new
[22:23] <jsorens> yes, the quill is coming back! it was in hiatus for
a couple of months as the editor moved to nh.
[22:23] <jnoyes> can we make FSP bumper stickers?
[22:23] <FTL_Ian> I highly suggest all porcs call all their prospects
again, post election, and ask them to join again.
[22:24] <Lindsey> No, not a tatto, just a piece of paper taped to my
[22:24] <Lindsey> :-P
[22:24] <stpeter> jsorens: super!
[22:24] <FTL_Ian> You'll be shocked at your success rate.
[22:24] <Lindsey> Tattoo, either
[22:24] <freedomfred> I'll have to give some thought to how to reach
Libertarian-minded folks on line using SEO techniques.
[22:24] <jsorens> contributions were very good in our recent campaign.
we have a decent amount in our bank account for ads, press releases, &
[22:24] <JonM> I don't ever recall getting anything that would suggest
they sold their mailing list though
[22:25] <jsorens> obviously, doing radio & tv seriously would
require us to take fundraising to the next level.
[22:25] <Lindsey> I kind of like Ian's terrible FSP spots
[22:25] <JonM> jason: nah, you just need to be arrested in a
tremendous scandal, plenty of TV and radio coverage then
[22:25] <stpeter> I think the thing that will really start to pull in
recruits is some practical, on-the-ground results in NH (even of a preliminary
[22:25] <Lindsey> :-P
[22:25] <FTL_Ian> Lindsey, I didn't write them
[22:25] <Lindsey> I just love Free Talk Live, because I'm a dork
[22:26] <JonM> hey karl
[22:26] <MichaelEdelstein> stpeter: we've had a few.
[22:26] <jsorens> no publicity is bad publicity, right? ;)
[22:26] <Kat> hi Karl
[22:26] <Lindsey> Oh you didn't write that horridness?
[22:26] <stpeter> bbiab
[22:26] <Lindsey> :-P
[22:26] <Karl_Beisel> Hi folks.
[22:26] <jaqeboy> hey Karl
[22:26] <Lindsey> Well they were still likeable in that awful way
[22:26] <Lindsey> Lol
[22:26] <freedomfred> Hello
[22:26] <jsorens> well i gotta go. nice chatting with you all!
[22:26] <Lindsey> But it would make it better of you wrote them
[22:26] <Lindsey> :-P
[22:26] <MichaelEdelstein> Bye, Jason.
[22:26] <Kat> 'night Jason
[22:26] <JonM> exactly jason, and that would have legs, "Yale
professor and founder of the Free State Project arrested at local farm in
questionable circumstances, more at 11"
[22:27] <Lindsey> if*
[22:27] <Lindsey> Jesus...someone should cut off my hands
[22:27] <jsorens> 'night
[22:27] <FTL_Ian> goodnight