Liaisons Workshop with Chris Harrison - Chat - 12/14/04
Here's a transcript of the chat that took place:
18:00:45 [Chris] Hi all and welcome to the Liaisons chat this evening. Boy is it ever cold down here in alabama.
18:01:08 [Randall_W] Same here in Kentucky; brrrrr
18:01:20 [Randall_W] The NHers are probably laughing at us =)
18:01:46 [Chris] Tonight we want to discuss those things that you have used successfully in your endeavors to recruit FSP members. Anyone can start the ball rolling
18:02:05 [HardyInVT] We have snow in VT. The low temp for tonight is 17 degrees
18:02:25 [katdillon] It's 18 degrees right now in keene
18:02:33 [Chris] We are going into the teens in AL also.
18:03:22 [Randall_W] My way of recruiting probably won't help others much, but I've found the best way to go is to start teaching people about punk rock philosphy, then libertarianism, then the FSP
18:03:31 [Randall_W] while making sure not to use too many big words =)
18:03:53 [Randall_W] Most people get confused if you get into economics or anything too deep
18:03:54 RussellK enters this room
18:03:55 >[RussellK] Welcome to our chat. Please obey the net etiquette while chatting: try to be pleasant and polite.
18:04:19 [Chris] Hi Russell
18:04:29 [HardyInVT] oops, 17 was the high. 3 is the low tonight.
18:04:36 [RussellK] Hello
18:04:38 [Randall_W] Welcome Russell
18:04:57 [RussellK] I follow much the same pattern as Randall
18:04:58 [katdillon] Someone signed up recently because of Randall
18:05:09 [Randall_W] Yar, my friend Patrick
18:05:17 [Randall_W] with signs from his family and friends on the way
18:05:19 [RussellK] except where do you teach people about moose?
18:05:35 [Randall_W] LMAO
18:05:52 [RussellK] I thought I recognized Corbin KY
18:05:53 [danhynes] i lived in nh my whole life and never saw a moose, only on dumb road signs
18:05:59 [danhynes] err ny
18:06:03 Erethizon enters this room
18:06:05 [Randall_W] Most people know that story without me mentioning it =P I still get stopped by random people on the street and asked about my walk and such =P
18:06:36 [RussellK] So when do you do another publicity stunt?
18:06:51 [Randall_W] I volunteered to get arrested not long ago, hehe
18:06:58 [danhynes] what for
18:06:59 [RussellK] It worked so well last time even though we didn't plan it enough or anything.
18:07:05 [Randall_W] I'm back in action and ready for more stunts as they are thought of =)
18:07:08 [Randall_W] =P
18:07:11 [danhynes] i wanna do that but my fiance yells at me
18:07:35 [RussellK] get arrested danh?
18:08:00 [danhynes] i tell her martin luther kind was arrested, and then she says it was for a good cause, and i say the fsp is a good cause
18:08:03 [danhynes] yea
18:09:18 [Chris] So you NHites, what is happening in the soon to be Free State?
18:09:57 [svillee] it's getting cold
18:10:07 [Randall_W] hehe, I bet
18:10:54 [svillee] A few other people are moving into the Berlin area. Dave Mincin points them my way.
18:11:05 [Chris] How much sunshine do you have up there in the winter? I can handle the cold if its sunny but don't like dreary cold days
18:11:39 [danhynes] for you people that moved to nh how did you decide which part, im pretty much interested in keene or manchester or nashua
18:11:45 [RussellK] it rains a lot here
18:11:54 [RussellK] but when it is cold it is sunny
18:12:02 [RussellK] Keene baby
18:12:09 [RussellK] Keene is the place to be
18:12:20 [katdillon] I put all the NH news I can gather here http://www.soulawakenings.com/underground/tikiwiki/
18:12:21 [svillee] Yes, the coldest days are usually clear weather.
18:12:24 [Randall_W] Seems like everyone wants to go to the northern part of the state, not many people going to the seacoast or other areas
18:12:28 [RussellK] we are doing a UN Flag burning in Keene on Saturday
18:12:38 [Chris] Varrin said he really like Keene
18:12:39 [katdillon] How many porcupines are up there, Steve?
18:12:47 [Randall_W] Sounds like fun =)
18:12:56 [danhynes] what do you like about keene that the others done have. yes i noticed that. ill be in boston though, maybe ill be able to get time to stop by
18:13:04 [RussellK] Varrin and I are determined to make Keene the ultimate Porc destination
18:13:08 [danhynes] anyone here not from keene?
18:13:32 [Chris] Anyone who burns a UN flag is ok in my book. We need to get the UN out of the Us and get the US out of the UN
18:13:59 [Randall_W] We need to get the US out of a lot of places =P
18:14:02 [danhynes] i didnt even know the un did so much until i read that email, i thought the us already hated the un
18:14:05 [RussellK] and we will be openly carrying our sidearms while the UN Flag burns
18:14:06 [katdillon] We're getting some postive reactions from the press about it already
18:14:43 scsmedia enters this room
18:15:18 [RussellK] I know it is hard to decide what part of NH to move to
18:15:28 [RussellK] but you will like any of it
18:15:51 [Chris] The UN has perpetrated the largest scam in the history of the world and the US media hardly covers it (oil for food)
18:15:52 [RussellK] Keene is such a cute little town and not as expensive as I was expecting
18:16:03 [katdillon] Chris, would you like to take up the question you posed on the olist about how to encourage 6000 to recruit?
18:16:10 [Randall_W] Wasn't much of a choice for me, the entire punk scene in NH is centered around Portsmouth, so I figure I can do the most good there
18:16:18 [svillee] At the moment just one other up here, but two more will arrive in a couple of months.
18:16:26 [RussellK] The oil for food is mostly what prompted Dada Orwell to want to burn the flag
18:16:29 [katdillon] and just think, that is our tax money going into Kofi's hands
18:16:45 [RussellK] oh I am sure you will like Portsmouth
18:16:49 [katdillon] Great, steve...it's so much more fun with company
18:17:04 [RussellK] Keene really has a college town feel downtown. It is fun
18:17:05 [Randall_W] I hope so =)
18:17:11 [Chris] No joke and they are using some of the money to kill American troops
18:17:16 [danhynes] are you actually in keene or a suberb. i read somewhere keene is liberal but the suberbs are conserv
18:17:19 [Randall_W] I know the cost of living is bad compared to other areas, but it should be worth it
18:17:34 [katdillon] in keene
18:17:42 [RussellK] Keene isn't big enough to have suburbs
18:17:51 [RussellK] it is only 30000
18:18:09 [katdillon] Chris, that's horrible
18:18:10 [RussellK] That would be true of Manchester
18:18:24 [RussellK] places like Nashua are all suburb
18:18:27 [scsmedia] in NH /Maine, that is vconsidered the big city
18:18:29 [Chris] Someone said some FSPer have moved to Berlin. What is that town like and what do they do for a living up there?
18:18:31 [danhynes] that sounds kinda big to me, i guess i grew up in a town with 30k
18:18:39 [katdillon] you could consider winchester and such places suburbs...kinda
18:19:10 [Randall_W] that's small to me, I'm from a town of 275k, no matter where I go in NH is gonna feel small =P
18:19:23 [svillee] The main employer in Berlin is a paper mill.
18:19:39 [katdillon] I just came from Dallas with more people than all of NH
18:19:50 [katdillon] love it here
18:19:55 [RussellK] The real fun when you get here is hanging out with other Porcupines for me
18:20:04 [svillee] The main attraction of Berlin is that houses are very cheap.
18:20:22 [RussellK] I almost joined svillee in Berlin
18:20:28 [Chris] Are they igloos?
18:20:34 [RussellK] but fell in love with a girl in Keene
18:20:35 [katdillon] But once in a while, we have to encourage Russell to come down outta the trees
18:21:42 [danhynes] whats RLC stand for
18:21:50 [katdillon] We're also starting a school in Keene, teaching constitution and such...for homeschoolers and adults at first
18:22:32 [RussellK] Republican Liberty Caucus
18:22:35 [Chris] For you NHites. How have you found the people of NH to be say politically, socially. Are they friendly or cold? Give me a real in depth feeling of what folks are really like in NH
18:22:42 [katdillon] Republican Liberty Caucus...Ron Paul Republicans
18:23:01 [danhynes] thanks, i dont know much about them, i will look into that
18:23:08 [RussellK] friendly like small town folks around here
18:23:22 [katdillon] people are real friendly. politically everything is incredible accessible
18:23:24 nbrnxtdr enters this room
18:23:31 [RussellK] I was thinking they would be 'flinty' but they are nice
18:23:43 [RussellK] very political all over the place
18:23:51 [danhynes] does anyone know if any fsp people hold any sort of office / town council or anything
18:23:56 [RussellK] lots of political bumper stickers
18:24:12 [RussellK] in keene a mix of liberals and gun nuts
18:24:13 [katdillon] When I was moving in, the little old lady next door offered to help me move stuff!
18:24:30 [katdillon] We have a couple members who are state reps
18:24:36 [Chris] That is cool!
18:24:50 [RussellK] but none of the new people have gotten into office yet
18:24:55 [katdillon] they were NH residents before the move
18:24:59 [RussellK] just previous NHites
18:24:59 [Chris] Thats cool also
18:25:14 [katdillon] No. Dawn Lincoln was asked to run for school board in Winchester
18:25:25 [katdillon] Hasn't really been enough time yet for most offices
18:25:30 [RussellK] Karl Beisel is running for the house next time in Manchester
18:26:02 [katdillon] seemed like Cal Pratt was thinking about running for something
18:26:18 [RussellK] Free Staters have been a real encouragement to office holders that believe in liberty
18:26:41 [katdillon] Yes, they've been very appreciative of our help
18:26:54 [RussellK] We have met quite a few decent polititians(oxymoron?) here
18:27:04 [Chris] I was hoping Evan Nappen would check in tonight as he is a monster in getting things done.
18:27:40 pstudier enters this room
18:27:44 [katdillon] He seems real busy. We had a great chat with him last week though
18:27:48 [RussellK] The polititians in the state house are not like polititians I have met before
18:28:12 [RussellK] they only make $100 and have no staff or campaign workers
18:28:12 [katdillon] BTW, hello to those who just came in. Feel free to jump right in.
18:28:29 [katdillon] so they can really use volunteer staff
18:28:37 [RussellK] they are like retired guys that want to keep taxes low
18:28:40 [Chris] They must do it because they believe in it, it can't be for the money.
18:28:59 [RussellK] of coarse there are bad ones too, but we can work against them
18:29:04 [danhynes] i had a debate about the $100 with someone, does such a low pay lead those in it to get kickbacks or such by supporting anything
18:29:04 [Randall_W] On the previously mentioned topic, I've found liberals are a lot easier to recruit than conservatives (yet everyone else seems to think otherwise??)
18:29:12 [RussellK] chris yea
18:29:28 [RussellK] i don't think they get major kickbacks
18:29:32 [RussellK] there are 400 of them
18:29:43 [Randall_W] It seems to me that most liberals don't care about economics much (except the ones that are full out socialists) and are pretty easy to convince on economics
18:29:46 [katdillon] Some of the Democrats I met at the state house and rallies were real nice
18:29:48 [RussellK] in some ways yes Randall
18:30:02 [RussellK] but since I am conservative that is my world
18:30:07 pstudier exits from this room
18:30:12 [Randall_W] most of them are frustrated with the demoncrats, because they aren't really making any social progress worth mentioning
18:30:21 [RussellK] that makes sense
18:30:24 [danhynes] my other idea was that cuz of the low money it wouldnt allow the smartest people to hold office because they would want to work somewhere where they make a lot of money, like attorneys
18:31:00 [katdillon] Keeping attorneys out of office sounds like a good plan
18:31:08 [RussellK] it also keeps out many career polititians
18:31:17 [Randall_W] Definitely a good plan =)
18:31:27 [Chris] Which has to be good
18:31:38 [RussellK] the founding fathers were smart and didn't do it for the kickbacks
18:31:59 [danhynes] i would think so, except i would like to think the best people should be in there for a long time
18:32:29 [Chris] Career politicians for the most part are slime and scum, parasites who don't know how to work
18:32:31 [katdillon] I don't think there are any term limits
18:32:40 [RussellK] If any of you have NH questions, feel free to email anyone in NH that has moved recently like Kat and I we would all love to give out info.
18:32:40 HardyVT enters this room
18:32:46 [danhynes] yeah i just meant they couldnt afford to make a career out of it
18:33:14 [Chris] Probably the $100 is the term limit
18:33:16 [RussellK] lots of the guys seem retired and then do it for quite a while
18:34:48 [RussellK] so does anyone have requiting successes to talk about?
18:35:08 [katdillon] recruiting?
18:35:18 [RussellK] lol
18:35:19 [Chris] It seems that many really good politicians start out real conservative and really watching out for your and my dollar but as they are in there longer and longer something happens to them. (orrin Hatch from Utah)
18:35:29 [katdillon] We do have some re-quitting going on
18:35:53 [RussellK] I grew up in Utah Chris and I never understood orrin hatch
18:36:20 [RussellK] he cannot lose his reelection bid, but he is a sleazy polititian all the way
18:37:01 [RussellK] He should be standing for the people and kicking but in DC because he doesn't have to worry about politics back home
18:37:27 [Chris] Well, there is this Libertarian talk show host in Birmingham who was talking about the FSP for about 20 minutes and we got 3 members in this area signed up around then. Not sure if there is a connection but I plan to be a guest on the show soon
18:37:56 [danhynes] is anyone going to the bill of rights sunday in billerica
18:38:40 [danhynes] err reading thing
18:38:54 [RussellK] I have too many fun things to do in NH
18:39:06 jsorens enters this room
18:39:11 [RussellK] are you going danh?
18:39:17 [katdillon] Hi Jason
18:39:33 [RussellK] quiet quiet the teacher entered the room
18:39:37 [katdillon] That's great, Chris
18:39:38 [Chris] Hi Jason
18:39:48 [RussellK] Hi prof
18:39:49 [jsorens] hi kat
18:39:55 [jsorens] and everyone else
18:40:00 [danhynes] im not sure yet, i have to convince my fiance to go or let me go
18:40:08 [RussellK] you had a guy talk about the
18:40:18 [RussellK] FSP for 20 minutes?
18:40:51 [jsorens] im sure those signups were related. when radio hosts talk about the fsp, people sign up
18:40:59 [jsorens] boortz has been responsible for dozens of our signups
18:41:26 [Chris] Yes and I didn't hear it, a friend of mine told me about it but we did get 3 new signers right near that time.
18:41:40 [katdillon] boortz has about 150 sign ups
18:41:55 [RussellK] yea some people have issues with boortz, but he is one of our best recruiters
18:42:30 [Randall_W] Well guys and gals, I hate to run, but I have to go back to work and give everyone rides home (I was the only preson with a car and I made them let me leave to be here)
18:42:56 [Randall_W] Seeya guys next time
18:43:08 [RussellK] watch out for ....you know on your way home
18:43:15 [Chris] This guy's name is Richard Dixon, he admires Boortz and I think I will have a good chance to get on hi show. I mean, please this is just Birmingham.
18:43:36 Randall_W exits from this room
18:44:13 [katdillon] Watch for stray moose, Randall
18:44:41 [RussellK] cool Chris Dada Orwell has great success getting on talk radio in NH
18:45:01 [RussellK] he doesn't talk FSP though here
18:45:11 [RussellK] just liberty issues as they come up
18:45:26 [Chris] IRadio shows are powerful, especially those with large listnership. If any of you can get on a show do it. If you don't feel competent to do it, get the FSP speakers group to get someone to attend. They are ready to serve.
18:47:40 [Chris] Jason, what wisdom can you share with the Liaisons tonight?
18:49:14 [katdillon] Apparently the talk show host in Keene is a member of Tim's RLC
18:49:26 [Chris] Russell what do you mean that he doesn't talk FSP though here
18:50:39 [RussellK] well since he is in NH he doesn't need to recruit people for the FSP so he just calls in with a libertarian perspective
18:51:08 [Chris] OK I see what you mean
18:52:09 [RussellK] that is one of the good things about being outside of NH...you can recruit like everyone on this forum
18:52:27 [RussellK] an update on my liaison...
18:53:00 [RussellK] I am the trucking liaison and one of our friends here is a truck driver in MA VT and NH
18:53:33 [RussellK] so I am roping him into helping me reach out to truck drivers, since he knows the rules here for commercial drivers
18:53:35 [Chris] If we could get Hannity or Boortz to give us some time it would be very powerful. Limbaugh has 20 million. He was ranting on the UN oil for food today, he almost sounded like the old Rush when he really was conservative.
18:54:50 [Chris] Russell, tell us more about the trucking liaison activity, that sounds like it could have really great potential
18:55:20 [RussellK] cool Rush was talking oil for food days before our UN flag burning lol
18:56:08 [RussellK] I have been kindof distracted (newlywed you know) but there is good potential
18:56:14 [Chris] Call him and tell him to come up and hold the flag
18:57:31 [RussellK] I thought we were planning of Rush making it Saturday... didn't he RSVP already?
18:57:45 [RussellK] well back to the truckers
18:58:15 [RussellK] they are another group like randalls puck rockers and open source guys
18:58:32 [RussellK] that are predisposed to distrust the government
18:59:01 [RussellK] they love to put anti gov stickers on their trucks
18:59:16 [RussellK] one idea is to come up with a FSP porc magnet
18:59:23 [RussellK] to stick on the truck cabs
18:59:29 PatK enters this room
18:59:49 [RussellK] so you can use it even if you don't own your own truck like "company" drivers
19:00:17 [RussellK] a way for them to tweak the government, just by putting it on their cab
19:00:48 [RussellK] I am researching in what ways NH is a good choice as a 'home' for truck drivers
19:01:14 [Chris] Taxes would be one I suppose
19:01:17 [RussellK] long haul truck drivers "live" in whatever state works best for taxes and regulations already
19:01:24 [RussellK] yea
19:01:46 [RussellK] one good thing for truckers is buying your truck in NH because of no Sales Tax
19:01:54 monroe enters this room
19:02:02 [RussellK] but MT has that too and a couple of others
19:02:23 [RussellK] but a bad things is NH is a little bit of a pain with their DMV
19:02:35 [RussellK] so I have to keep on researching
19:02:46 [RussellK] and eventually get rid of some rules here in NH
19:02:55 [PatK] how hey you truckers wanna hit a Moose = come to New Hampshire
19:03:01 [RussellK] so that is what we are up to in the truck driver world
19:03:04 [katdillon] Varrin designed a magnetic sign that you could likely get more of
19:03:19 [katdillon] Randall can give training on that
19:03:21 [RussellK] you missed randall ....he left
10 minutes ago
19:03:45 [RussellK] anyone else have an update?
19:03:51 [Chris] Man, when you figure all of the trucks on the road that equals a lot of signs going up and down the roads.
19:03:56 [PatK] Did he talk about his porc tattoo?
19:04:39 [Chris] Whose porc tatoo?
19:04:40 [katdillon] I doubt Varrin has a tattoo
19:05:01 [PatK] no Randall
19:05:06 [RussellK] that would be cool right? and truck drivers talk too...all the time...word of mouth advertising
19:05:44 monroe exits from this room
19:05:48 [Chris] Would it be possible to advertise the FSP in the trucker magazines?
19:05:50 [PatK] Varrin he he could get a driveway tattoo
19:06:08 [RussellK] yea chris
19:06:13 [katdillon] It would be too wide for his skinny frame
19:06:28 [katdillon] Are there trucker magazines?
19:06:28 [PatK] lol
19:06:30 [Chris] What is a driveway tattoo?
19:06:36 [RussellK] there are certain ones that truckers read from cover to cover in truck stops
19:06:48 [RussellK] lots of trucker magazines
19:06:54 [katdillon] assalt driveway tattoo
19:07:01 [nbrnxtdr] Another trucker (from Maine) looking in with great interest.
19:07:13 [katdillon] maybe that's why we got so many signups from Playboy
19:07:22 [katdillon] Welcome
19:07:30 [PatK] if you stop at a flyijng j or Iron Skillet resturant you see plenty of truckers mags
19:07:35 [RussellK] a trucker from maine?
19:07:52 [RussellK] what did he have to say about the FSP?
19:08:12 [nbrnxtdr] In PA on the way to FL . . Yahoo!
19:08:32 [RussellK] nbrnxtdr are you a truck driver?
19:08:59 [nbrnxtdr] I prefer "professional tourist". .
19:09:08 [RussellK] cool
19:09:10 [katdillon] lol
19:09:17 [RussellK] so how did you hear about us?
19:09:38 [RussellK] who do you drive for or do you own your rig?
19:09:41 [Chris] OK I got it. So you think you are really free driving a rig down the road right? Well think again, DOT regulations and fees and taxes, payroll taxes, excise taxes on your tires and cigars, do you think your kids are being taught to be free in their schools/ Got question contact us for Liberty in
19:09:53 [Chris] your lifetime
19:10:03 [nbrnxtdr] Asmainegoes.com . . a few years ago, when Maine was still a contendor
19:10:07 [RussellK] I leased a truck from CR England for a while
19:10:31 [RussellK] oh cool
19:10:34 [scsmedia] nbrnxtdr: are you taxfoe on AMG
19:11:02 [RussellK] hey chris I think all truck drivers already know they are not free...they fill out forms all the time and deal with scales etc.
19:11:14 [scsmedia] I am Steven S
19:11:19 [nbrnxtdr] One and the same . .
19:11:55 [RussellK] so are you just checking us out?
19:11:59 [Chris] Then they are prime targets for the FSP. You hit a goldmine Russell, now we just need you to complete your honeymoon.
19:12:16 [RussellK] we love visitors...even professional tourists
19:12:22 [katdillon] No way...that's going on for years
19:12:41 [nbrnxtdr] I've known of you for years
19:12:48 [RussellK] I would love to hook up with truckers as they join the FSP ....they can help us recruit
19:13:17 [RussellK] hey nbrnxtdr...would you like to join the FSP and help me recruit?
19:13:32 [nbrnxtdr] Steve . . how about you . . what's your interest here?
19:14:48 [Chris] Hey, folks, our time is one hour officially. You all can stay as long as you want but this dude is checking out. Thanks for all of your input liaisons and I'll be in touch soon. Thanks for coming
19:15:06 [nbrnxtdr] I'll consider it after I've learned more. Presently, i'm looking for a new place to have my mail sent.
19:15:10 [katdillon] Thanks Chris. G'night
19:15:24 [RussellK] see ya...I will stay for a while longer
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19:15:44 [scsmedia] just observing. I am very active in republican politics in Maine.
19:16:18 [scsmedia] I would love to replicate your work here. Although we need 50K jsut to move southern Maine
19:16:20 [katdillon] Is the republican liberty caucus active in NH?
19:16:26 [nbrnxtdr] I know. Very active on AMG as well. Good for you.
19:17:09 [katdillon] I mean in Maine
19:17:28 [scsmedia] no
19:17:47 [scsmedia] only recently heard of it
19:20:53 nbrnxtdr exits from this room
19:21:13 [katdillon] Good night all. Thanks for coming!