Q & A with Evan Nappen (FSP VP) - Chat - 12/06/04

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17:53:56 [GCG199] Hello, this is Greg Geraci....I guess I am a bit early...

17:54:20 [katdillon] Hi

17:54:26 [katdillon] Just a little

17:55:19 [GCG199] Oh, okay....

17:56:07 [katdillon] Hi Hardy

17:57:21 [HardyMacia] Hi Kat.

17:57:31 [spike] Greetings

17:58:05 [GCG199] Hello...

17:58:09 [katdillon] Hi spike

17:58:20 [katdillon] Hi Tim in disguise

17:58:42 [ct236] (..."Tim in disguise"?...)

17:58:49 [katdillon] Hi Evan

17:59:04 [Revtwo] Howdy folks!

17:59:04 [ct236] Why not "Evan in disguise"?

17:59:21 [GCG199] Ha!

17:59:40 [Revtwo] Because Revtwo has always been me.

17:59:42 [katdillon] Well duh, Evan isn't wearing that little mask

17:59:49 [katdillon] and cape

18:00:11 [ct236] "Mask"? "Cape"? I *like* it!

18:00:20 [ct236] Evan!

18:00:24 [Revtwo] Revtwo is my alias on ebay and all forums.

18:00:39 [katdillon] apparently so...but couldn't you have picked a better color than pink?

18:01:05 [katdillon] can you buy guns on ebay?

18:01:10 [Revtwo] only parts are pink

18:01:10 [ct236] Well fine then. I've been looking to hear from you. You know, we're never going to get you-know-what off the ground unless we continue to refine it!

18:01:30 [ct236] Kathryn, I find that pink becomes me.

18:01:33 [Revtwo] I've been working on it.

18:01:56 [katdillon] Well, you're man enough to wear it well

18:02:14 [Revtwo] what should we chat about?

18:03:07 [ct236] How about the FSA?

18:03:18 [katdillon] If you want to get started, how about we just let people ask questions about whatever they want?

18:03:27 [Revtwo] That's fine with me.

18:03:51 [ct236] First question! First question! (raising hand)

18:03:54 [katdillon] Alright :)

18:04:23 [katdillon] Tonight we have gun rights advocate Evan Nappen to answer your questions about the FSP and whatever else is on your mind

18:04:24 [ct236] Should the NH militia (constitutionally provided for, commanded by the governor) standardize on the .308 or .223 round?

18:04:32 [katdillon] Tim, you have a question?

18:05:21 [Revtwo] In regard to the ammo -- it should be both as both are U.S. Military rounds and some people cannot handle the recoil of .308.

18:05:41 [GCG199] Good point....

18:05:43 [ct236] But then it wouldn't be "standardized."

18:06:10 [Revtwo] Yes, it is standardized to two cartridges.

18:06:12 [katdillon] Is the NH militia active even?

18:06:55 [ct236] I don't think so. But we can fix that when we start really moving. I see NH ultimately looking like a beautiful little Switzerland.

18:07:05 [Revtwo] All able bodied males are members of the unorganized militia under Federal law.

18:07:30 [katdillon] So I can't join the militia?

18:08:08 [Revtwo] Maybe the State millitia, but not the Federal unorganized militia at this time.

18:08:42 [katdillon] That's OK. I don't want to, just curious

18:08:54 [spike] Q: Why is NH more attractive to gun owners than (most) other states?

18:08:57 [HardyMacia] can the federal unorganized militia force activation of all members?

18:08:58 [katdillon] Anyone with questions, fire away, so to speak

18:09:10 [Revtwo] The interesting facet of an official state militia of citizens is that it can invoke various legal exemptions concerning firearms.

18:09:20 [ct236] Oh *really*....

18:09:53 [Revtwo] Yes, it may be able to allow for independence to certain NFA regulations.

18:10:28 [ct236] Hmmmm. Okay, what about the Free State Alliance. I think it should have a different name.

18:10:50 [jimcperry] Hello. All.

18:10:59 [katdillon] Hi Jim

18:11:06 [GCG199] Hello Jim...

18:11:10 [Revtwo] Howdy, Jim.

18:11:27 [jimcperry] Heyo! Hi Kat, Revtwo, GCG!

18:11:31 [redchrome] this Official Militia idea sounds pretty nifty to me... never heard of it before

18:11:34 [Revtwo] What is wrong with the name "Free State Alliance"?

18:11:57 [HardyMacia] Does NH recgonize Vermonter's right to carry in NH now?

18:12:08 [ct236] This: The Lions have an animal. The Elks have an animal. The Moose have an animal. I want an animal1

18:12:11 [Revtwo] We are not a militia movement or militia group.

18:12:11 [jimcperry] I am in the process of forming a Militia, didn't know there was this much interest.

18:12:20 [redchrome] I came here to ask if there was any possibility of repealing part or all of the National Firearms Act of 1934; but it sounds like this may be one way around it.

18:12:41 [jimcperry] However, I think we should keep militia building away from the Official FSP stuffs

18:13:31 [spike] I would like to recruit at gun shows, so basic question: Why is NH more attractive to gun owners than (most) other states?

18:13:46 [redchrome] jimcperry: I agree... we want the FSP to be as 'mainstream' as possible. don't give the major media/our enemies any leverage against us.

18:13:55 [Revtwo] Guys, I can only answer one question at a time -- NH allows for Vermonters to get a non-resident carry license.

18:14:03 [jimcperry] Indeed

18:14:11 [jimcperry] Please, Call me JP or Jim

18:14:12 [GCG199] Yes, that makes sense...

18:14:39 [CraigTF] Its attractive because of the easy access to purchase and carry.

18:14:49 [Revtwo] NH is more attractive to gun owners because it has minimum gun laws and an extremely reasonable carry license system in which it is illegal to fingermprint or photograph the applicant.

18:15:10 [katdillon] How about you just say 'question' if you have a question and I'll call on you in order so we don't overwealm Evan

18:15:11 [HardyMacia] So, I need to apply for a license? If you live in a recepricating state do you not have to apply for a license?

18:15:24 [Revtwo] Additionally, we are a NFA legal state and there are no permits to purchase or possess firearms required.

18:15:38 [GCG199] Do they still ask for the Social Security number for CCW license?

18:15:48 [jimcperry] Question

18:16:30 [jimcperry] If I want to start carrying, how old must I be to apply for a carry-conceal.

18:16:59 [Revtwo] HardyMacia question -- This is one of the problems with Vermont because they do not have a carry license therefore there is no license to have reciprocity with. Alaska recognized this problem and came up with a hybrid no carry license system in which you could opt for a license.

18:18:00 [Revtwo] GCG199 question -- SS number is optional on the 4473 form. However, I'm not sure if it is asked for on the NH CCW, but I doubt they could mandate it.

18:18:00 [HardyMacia] (Well, it is a problem with the other 48 states that have issues with people carrying. I wouldn't call it a vermont problem. We're right! :-)

18:18:34 [katdillon] Jim, I don't recall being asked for SSN when I got mine

18:18:38 [spike] Follow-up: I don't understand "NFA legal state..." can you be more explicit?

18:18:58 [Revtwo] Jimcperry question -- There is no age limit for a carry license in NH and I understand that there was even a 15 or 16 year old who had one granted.

18:19:05 [katdillon] (thanks for slowing down on the questions, guys!)

18:19:27 [jimcperry] Revtwo> Thanks!

18:19:51 [Revtwo] HardyMacia question -- I do not mean that the VT system is a problem. In fact, I love the freedom. However, this can cause a problem for you in the other 49 states.

18:20:09 [katdillon] (for private messages, do /to person message)

18:20:55 [Revtwo] Spike question -- NFA is National Firearms Act (meaning machine gun, sawed off shotguns and destructive devices are legal as long as Federal law is followed.)

18:23:00 [Revtwo] IMPORTANT -- I will have a booth at the NRA Annual Meeting in Houston, TX in April 2005. I am dedicating the booth to promoting FSP and could use some help with booth duty. If anyone is available, please let me know. Thanks!!!!!

18:23:01 [redchrome] would there be any hope of codifying local practice in NFA examinations (i.e. a state law that says that if you're a law-abiding citizen, you can't be arbitrarily denied an NFA permit on the whim of an anti-gun bureacrat)?

18:23:48 [katdillon] Tim can help by getting arrested again

18:23:57 [jimcperry] LOL

18:24:01 [redchrome] I realize it would likely only apply to local law enforcement, not federal officials.

18:24:07 [GCG199] Ha!

18:24:37 [Revtwo] redchrome question -- You are talking about the CLEO (Chief Law Enforcement Officer) requirement which is required under Federal law. This would require a Federal law change. There is no NH prohibitions.

18:25:31 [redchrome] so you can't have a state law which directs the CLEO in this case, because it's a Federal matter?

18:26:46 [Revtwo] redchrome question -- No, we might be able to pass a State law that makes CLEOs signoffs a "shall issue" unless there is a objective disqualifier, e.g. a felony conviction.

18:27:34 [redchrome] ok. that's what I was asking and hoping for. thanks!

18:28:28 [katdillon] Would passing such a state law be difficult in NH?

18:29:28 [jimcperry] Good question Kat!

18:29:38 [Revtwo] katdillon question - We probably had a better chance before this last election. But, with 20K activits anything is possible.

18:29:51 [jimcperry] IMO, We can do it.

18:30:21 [Revtwo] I also have been working very closely with Gun Owners of NH (GONH) and they are one of the best State gun groups in the country.

18:30:24 [redchrome] so tell us more about how this Official State Militia could be organized. Do you have any links to cite?

18:31:34 [Revtwo] redchrome -- The State has the authority to set up its State Militia. This could be officially structured depending on how we are able to get the law passed to do it.

18:31:40 [CraigTF] Answer to kat:Probably. Too many people are scared of the idea of automatic weapons (I think thats what this thread was talking about) Education would be the first priority

18:33:16 [redchrome] according to this link: http://www.sgaus.org/secamend.htm there are 25 states which have "official state militia". I've never heard of them before tho, let alone anyone in them getting an exemption to any NFA regulations.

18:33:38 [Revtwo] Let's talk about reaching out to gun owners and promoting NH.

18:34:04 [redchrome] ok. better topic. :)

18:34:48 [Revtwo] Redchrome -- The militia idea is too easy for misinterpretation and people will take it the wrong way. This requires a careful legislative approach otherwise folks will say that FSP is a militia movement and this is not what FSP is about.

18:35:03 [katdillon] Do most gun owners read gun magazines or go to gun shows?

18:35:36 [CraigTF] I am working in Illinios and went to a gun shop here where the employees were very excited about the gun access I had in NH. If I could have offered a job to one of them I think he was ready to move!

18:35:38 [redchrome] yes. I understand. it's definitely something that needs to be marketed correctly.

18:35:48 [Revtwo] katdillon -- yes, these are two primary areas of reaching gun owners and I have tapped into both National sources.

18:36:21 [katdillon] Are there other ways of reaching gun enthusiasts?

18:37:05 [Revtwo] CraigTF -- You and I have a lot in common. New Jersey and Illinois suck as far as gun laws are concerned. Both my State of NJ and your state of IL is prime territory for FSP recruitment. We need to get to the local gun clubs and tell the members that freedom waits for them in the free state.

18:37:28 [redchrome] katdillon: "most" gun owners just own their gun (singular) for deer or duck hunting... the "gun owners" you're talking about might better be described as "gun enthusiasts", and those are the sorts who do read magazines and go to gun shows.

18:38:37 [HardyMacia] I posted a notice about this chat tonight to a Vermont gun email list.

18:39:00 [katdillon] Thanks Hardy

18:39:15 [Revtwo] I mentioned in the article in American Handgunner that the majority of gun owners are apathetic losers. We need the enthusiastic winners who know and understand freedom. Approximately 1/3 of those members who belong to any gun group qualify as true believers.

18:39:37 [redchrome] In MN here, we got a right-to-carry bill passed recently, much of it due to some hardworking people at gun shows.

18:39:38 [katdillon] So the FSP local groups could talk to local gun groups in their areas

18:39:58 [CraigTF] Sorry, I live in NH, I have been working on a project in IL for the past 8 months. I did a lot of projects in NJ also. Your right, I hated going there (and here) and NOT carrying.

18:40:17 [katdillon] Great, redchrome

18:40:53 [redchrome] I think getting some publicity for shooting events in NH could do a lot of good. Publicise a machinegun shoot or rifle match... not in association with the FSP, but in and of itself.

18:41:26 [GCG199] That is a good idea...

18:41:27 [Revtwo] kat, yes and FSP should focus on the top anti-gun states and DC. The most anti-gun states are: NJ, NY, IL, CA, MA, MD, and Wash. DC

18:41:39 [katdillon] I believe there will be some shooting events at the Porcupine Festival

18:41:53 [redchrome] the event might draw attention to NH in general; and that might draw attention to the FSP. but we don't want a direct machineguns --> FSP connection.

18:42:38 [katdillon] photoshoot of Amanda with a machine gun :)

18:42:54 [Revtwo] redchrome -- We have to be careful not to give a "bunker" mentality. We are activitists, not insurgents.

18:43:24 [redchrome] revtwo: yes. exactly.

18:43:26 [CraigTF] The better way might be through the organizations and groups (IPSEC?) that provide training and tactical practice to folks who are serious about self defense.

18:43:29 [Revtwo] kat -- Amanda with anything is fine with me.

18:44:06 [katdillon] LOL

18:44:23 [redchrome] anyone know a club in NH that could host the IDPA national finals?

18:44:36 [katdillon] Interesting idea, Craig

18:44:49 [redchrome] say 300 people for 3-4 days?

18:45:25 [CraigTF] Major Waldrons Sportsman Association in Barrington (Where I shoot)

18:45:25 [redchrome] IDPA == International Defensive Pistol Association

18:45:44 [Revtwo] redchrome -- contact Sam Cohen at GONH for further info.

18:46:09 [redchrome] k. will keep that in mind.

18:46:11 [CraigTF] Thanks redchrome (too many letters in my head!!)

18:46:14 [redchrome] thanks!

18:46:31 [Hardy2] Trying to get national events in NH would be great. Whether it is gun, lp, bikes,...

18:46:39 [jimcperry] L'Shalom Room!

18:46:44 [jimcperry] I must go.

18:46:50 [jimcperry] Thanks for hosting this forum.

18:47:10 [GCG199] Bye.

18:47:15 [katdillon] Any progress on getting gun manufacturers to move to NH?

18:47:23 [Revtwo] I agree that motorcyclists are a prime candidate for FSP recruitment.

18:48:04 [spike] What are the dates of the NRA convention?

18:48:18 [Revtwo] kat -- I have been working with NH Economic Development on this issue despite criticism from certain unnamed parties who don't appreciate the value of indirect recruitment efforts.

18:48:48 [katdillon] lol

18:48:59 [Revtwo] spike -- April 15-17 2005 -- go to http://www.nra.org for more info.

18:49:06 [CraigTF] kat: I would love to see more gun manufacturers (manufacturers in general) move to NH. The business climate is very good for such a niche market.

18:49:15 [spike] I think I can be there.

18:49:48 [katdillon] I understand some legislation has been introduced to reduce taxes on businesses also

18:49:56 [Revtwo] spike -- thank you please email me your name and address at gunesq@optonline.net

18:50:50 [Revtwo] NH is a strong gun state because Ruger, Sig and Thompson Centre are there, and hunting and fishing are strong traditions.

18:51:17 [Revtwo] Even NH democrats are anti-tax and pro-business.

18:51:49 [CraigTF] Really! how wonderful!

18:52:03 [GCG199] That is a good thing!

18:52:31 [Revtwo] NH hates taxes!

18:52:56 [GCG199] Let's hope the new Governor doesn't change things for the worse.

18:53:28 [katdillon] There are a whole lot of people keeping an eye on the new governor

18:53:35 [Revtwo] A NH Democrat beats a NJ Republican every time.

18:53:48 [GCG199] Ha!

18:53:51 [CraigTF] Besides the gun manufactures themselves, there is a strong need for other support for their production. For example TC subcontracts some of their hardware to small machine shops in NH.

18:53:57 [katdillon] That'd be a fun fight to watch

18:54:04 [Revtwo] kat -- is there an online job source in NH that we can tell FSP potentials about?

18:54:26 [katdillon] I know of one, hang on

18:54:55 [katdillon] http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/nhjobslist/

18:55:25 [katdillon] and there should be more info here: http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?board=30

18:55:33 [CraigTF] But NH offers no formal Machining education. So there might be a need, but no supply.

18:56:33 [GCG199] Well, I might not have too much trouble getting a job in a machine shop there when I move up in mid-2005.

18:56:57 [GCG199] I already work in a machine shop.

18:57:19 [katdillon] There's also some job info here: http://freestateproject.org/nhinfo

18:57:35 [Revtwo] A skilled machinest is always in demand. Ruger runs Pine Tree Casting in Claremount.

18:57:46 [redchrome] thanks for the links, katdillon!

18:57:47 [CraigTF] Send a resume to all the gun manufactures. I am sure they have a hard time filling those positions.

18:58:02 [katdillon] My pleasure

18:58:48 [redchrome] maybe I'll have to start applying for sysadmin jobs at those companies. :)

18:59:30 [Revtwo] Are there any last questions before we rap it up?

18:59:35 [spike] What advantage is it to not have a fingerprint or photo on a concealed carry license? They have your name and address.

18:59:39 [katdillon] Cathy Sullivan vs. a NJ Republican..I'd pay to see that fight

19:00:21 [CraigTF] redchrome: Not a bad idea. Sig (in my opinion) needs IT help BADLY.

19:00:28 [katdillon] I wouldn't want any more government intrusion than absolutely necessary

19:01:11 [redchrome] craigtf: that doesn't mean they're hiring... in fact, quite often the opposite. ;)

19:01:22 [Revtwo] spike -- They do not require fingerprints or photographs to process your carry license application. This is because asking for your fingerprints and your photograph is a privacy invasion. Also, it is also a license not a permit. NH is careful in respecting these issues.

19:01:48 [redchrome] what's the legal distinction between a license and a permit?

19:01:58 [spike] So, the main purpose is to collect a tax?

19:02:58 [Revtwo] redchrome -- A permit means it is a privilege in which you are granted permission to do something. A license is simply the government acknowledge of your qualifications as a citizen. For example, you don't get a marriage permit or a dog permit, why would we get a gun permit?

19:03:36 [CraigTF] Yes kat. In fact getting a permit is almost like a "must issue'" state because the information is so minimal. and they never even called any of my references. redchrome: to true!

19:04:06 [katdillon] They didn't call my references either

19:04:57 [CraigTF] Makes you wonder why they even ask!

19:05:02 [spike] Do you know how Oregon and Washington stack up in this regard? That's who I'm trying to convince.

19:05:54 [Revtwo] Spike they have CCW, but NH beats them on other freedom fronts

19:06:18 [katdillon] In Oregon I only knew people who had rifles, no one doing concealed carry

19:06:37 [Revtwo] Spike go to http://www.packing.org for all CCW info. that site rocks.

19:07:06 [GCG199] Yes, that is one of the better CCW websites.

19:08:03 [Revtwo] Do not go to packing .com its NJ Gov Mcgreevy's favortie site.

19:08:44 [spike] That site says that NH doesn't have "gun friendly peaceable journey laws". What does that mean?

19:10:17 [CraigTF] GCG199 Yes I agree. Revtwo, thanks for your time tonight. kat Thanks for hosting. This was my first but "I'll be back" See you later.

19:10:24 [Revtwo] No true exactly. Open carry is OK in NH and Title 18 926A covers it too.

19:10:25 [GCG199] I have to go, take care folks.

19:11:25 [katdillon] Time for me to go also. Thank you all for coming

19:11:39 [katdillon] Thanks to Evan for taking the time to answer all these questions!

19:11:43 [spike] thanks very much

19:11:47 [redchrome] thanks katdillon!

19:11:56 [Revtwo] Good bye to all and thanks for coming. SYITFS! Evan

19:12:07 [redchrome] thanks much revtwo!

19:12:17 [katdillon] You all are certainly welcome to carry on...the chat room is always open