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Liaisons Workshop
Liaisons Workshop - Chat
This Tuesday evening 11/16/04, we will be holding a Liaisons Workshop. We will be discussing ways to interact with liaison target groups. Please bring your questions and ideas and join us at freestateproject.org/chat at 9pm ET. Hope to see you there!
Here's a transcript of the chat that took place:
17:45:14 [katdillon] The transcipts of previous chats are up on the website
17:45:28 [katdillon] http://freestateproject.org/getinvolved/chat-workshops/
17:51:16 [katdillon] Hi Chris
17:51:58 [clhfreeguy] This is Chris Harrison, I will try to obey net etiquette and be pleasant and polite
17:52:35 [clhfreeguy] Hi Kat, how are you?
17:52:54 [queuetue] Hi, Chris.
17:53:17 [katdillon] I'm great, thanks
17:53:22 [katdillon] Chris, I can
17:53:36 [katdillon] can't imagine you being other than polite
17:53:52 [katdillon] sorry, can't type that well tonight I guess
17:54:19 [clhfreeguy] Who is queuetue?
17:54:59 [PatK] Hi Kat and all
17:55:02 [queuetue] Scott Russell. (Free Software liaison)
17:55:09 [katdillon] Hi Pat
17:55:50 [queuetue] Howdy, Pat.
17:56:07 [katdillon] Hi Chris
17:56:20 [clhfreeguy] Has Jean arrived yet?
17:56:24 [chrisL] Hi there!
17:56:48 [RussellK] Jean came and went
17:56:55 [katdillon] She was here earlier, and said she'd be back
17:57:49 [MiclEdlstn] Hi everyone!
17:57:51 [katdillon] If anyone wants Jean's ideas and options for liaisons, I can send the file to you
17:57:53 [RussellK] hello
17:58:02 [katdillon] Hi Michael
17:58:18 [katdillon] Hi Jean
17:58:25 [PatK] hi Michael and Chris
17:58:31 [Jean] Hello
17:58:41 [MiclEdlstn] Hi Pat!
17:58:49 [clhfreeguy] Jean is scheduled to be the first presenter, Hi Mike, Hi Russell, Hi Chris L, Hi Pat
17:59:01 [chrisL] Hello Pat, Kat & the rest
17:59:18 [RussellK] how about intros of sorts?
17:59:27 [queuetue] So ... am I the only non-regular? (I feel like I've been missing other meetings. )
17:59:33 [Jean] Can we introduce ourselves and our community when we get a chance?
17:59:36 [RussellK] Russell Kanning (truckers liaison)
18:00:07 [Jean] Really?
18:00:37 [Jean] Is there a strong libertarian thread in truckers ... or are you making one?
18:00:45 [RussellK] oh yes
18:00:54 [Jean] Jean Alexander (Homeschooling)
18:01:01 [RussellK] almost all of them hate the government
18:01:02 [Jean] (and alternative schooling)
18:01:07 [RussellK] or at least the DOT
18:01:10 [RussellK]
18:01:12 [clhfreeguy] Hi all this is Chris Harrison, Coordinator of Liaisons, welcome to all of you and thanks for coming we will start with Jean Alexander who is going to share what she has been doing with home schooling and other things Jean please go ahead
18:01:15 [katdillon] If you haven't received Jean's Liaisons Ideas, you can read it here: http://www.soulawakenings.com/liaisons_ideas.txt
18:01:21 [Jean] cool Russell!
18:01:47 [katdillon] I'm Kat Dillon, Volunteer Support Director for the FSP
18:02:01 [Jean] If you haven't read the document I prepared it pretty much outlines
18:02:13 [Jean] what I do and what Evan Nappan has been doing with gun rights.
18:02:35 [Jean] One of the mosts useful thing I do is participate in several different email lists
18:02:40 [Jean] related to homeschooling.
18:02:50 [Jean] I use my FSP signature line and that gets comments.
18:03:06 [Jean] There are regular postings about conflict with various government
18:03:23 [Jean] agencies that give me a great opportunity to introduce FSP
18:03:54 [Jean] I've started my own FSPHomeschooling list and that's a great place to
18:04:04 [Jean] brainstorm about liberty issues
18:04:19 [Jean] I don'twant to use everyone
18:04:34 [Jean] 's time going over the document. Has anyone read it by chance?
18:04:41 [PaulT] hi
18:04:50 [queuetue] * queuetue has.
18:05:06 [katdillon] Hi Paul
18:05:19 [katdillon] Here's the document she's referring to: http://www.soulawakenings.com/liaisons_ideas.txt
18:05:29 [Jean] Queuetue - did you find it useful?
18:06:01 [clhfreeguy] Hi Paul, we have started and Jean is telling us what she has been doing to effectively recruit in education and in gun rights Chris
18:06:10 [Jean] My overall approach has been to
18:06:24 [Jean] actively participate in my community
18:06:38 [Jean] raise the topic of FSP whenever there is an opportunity
18:06:59 [Jean] I avoid being too forceful ... don't want to be seem as a spammer!
18:07:09 [queuetue] Jean, yes, in parts related to action, but no, in relation to motivation. I got this role primarily because it was mentioned you needed one - I asked about it, and was granted Free Software Liaison. I'm honored, but ... I'm not sure what my actual *role* is - to teach FSPers about Free and
18:07:20 [Jean] More proactively, I'm working on two essays which I hope will be published
18:07:21 [queuetue] open software, or to bring F/OSS people to the FSP...
18:07:51 [PaulT] the point is to bring free/open software people to the FSP
18:07:52 [RussellK] I think you can do just like Jean
18:07:55 [matthew] I was wondering why no one was in the FSP room over on freetalklive. i guess it helps when i read directions.
18:07:57 [matthew] hello all.
18:08:07 [katdillon] queuetue, the idea is to introduce members of your community to the FSP
18:08:13 [PaulT] hi
18:08:19 [RussellK] be active and noticable in your world and answer questions about the FSP
18:08:25 [katdillon] hi matthew
18:08:51 [matthew] evening kat.
18:09:01 [PatK] when all else fails foloow the directions
18:09:05 [chrisL] Do we raise the topic of FSP in NH?
18:09:17 [mrdthree] How 'bout we delegate internet stuff to other members of our community
18:09:51 [Jean] I'm back
18:10:01 [katdillon] chris, the idea is to recruit people outside NH to move.
18:10:14 [Jean] I'm curious what others have tried. I think some of what we
18:10:21 [Jean] do may be specific to our communities.
18:10:21 [queuetue] BTW, how many of us here are currently NH reidents?
18:10:34 [Jean] I'm actually looking for a couple of folks to work with me
18:10:34 [mrdthree] No
18:10:35 [katdillon] mrdthree, I'm not sure I understand your question
18:10:40 [Jean] Education is a *big* area.
18:10:43 [mrdthree] Not NH resident
18:10:45 [chrisL] Resident
18:10:57 [katdillon] chrisL, RussellK and myself have moved to NH
18:11:02 [matthew] not YET
18:11:15 [mrdthree] I am a Boston MA resident though
18:11:18 [queuetue] (Resident - but by birth, not intentional action. )
18:11:27 [MiclEdlstn] Nonresident.
18:11:28 [katdillon] matthew
18:11:40 [cneufer] Not yet
18:11:43 [clhfreeguy] We have had some problems with FSPers becoming too political in NH. We can do most anything as individuals in NH but the FSP itself cannot be political in NH Chris H
18:12:08 [PaulT] who is/are the homeschool/private school liaisons? a friend of mine is doing a research paper on alternative education that might be useful
18:12:14 [queuetue] clhfreeguy, can you explain that a little more?
18:12:34 [katdillon] Jean is, though I'm interested in homeschooling too
18:12:42 [cneufer] Why not? (be political)
18:12:55 [PaulT] ok, anyone who's interested, can you give me your emails?
18:13:12 [MiclEdlstn] The FSP has no function in NH.
18:14:09 [chrisL] So, any liason work I do from NH would probably be done "outside" NH
18:14:24 [katdillon] Yes ma'am
18:14:29 [queuetue] So, the FSP is a tool to aggregate Free-thinkers, and ceases to be involved after serving that function?
18:14:34 [chrisL] by mail, phone, email
18:14:47 [katdillon] Paul, you can send it to me if you like.
18:14:58 [katdillon] Yes, queue
18:15:12 [MiclEdlstn] The FSP is like an interstate bus bringing people to NH.
18:15:19 [mrdthree] If the FSP succeeds the FSP will be around long after teh goal is met!
18:15:20 [clhfreeguy] Yes, our mission is defined, we are to move 20000 folks into NH We are 501C tax group if we become political we can get into trouble. More than that we just want to get the folks up there then Kady bar the door then we will get very political and through the political process we will be very po
18:15:20 [katdillon] I'll get it to Jean, Paul
18:15:33 [mrdthree] recruiting is a continuous thing I would think
18:15:53 [MiclEdlstn] Once it arrives in NH, it simply turns around and brings more from other states.
18:15:56 [katdillon] yes mrdthree
18:15:57 [PaulT] k, will do when she's done
18:16:09 [clhfreeguy] beomce political animals and free the state of NH.
18:16:10 [jean] I'm back
18:16:26 [jean] Maybe chats are just not Mac friendly ?
18:16:39 [queuetue] jean
18:16:43 [PaulT] by the way, is there currently a liaison to the wiccan, pagan, and/or discordian communities?
18:16:47 [queuetue] using safari, or firefox?
18:16:55 [cneufer] You must be a 501(c)(3)--you can devote 20% to lobbying
18:17:12 [clhfreeguy] Jean do you have more to add at this point?
18:17:28 [jean] Safari ... now on 1.2.3 'cause 1.1 is buggy
18:17:44 [jean] Hi Chris
18:17:44 [matthew] try firefox
18:17:46 [katdillon] there is a pagan liaison
18:17:59 [jean] One thing I wanted to mention is that NH matters,
18:18:00 [katdillon] here's the whole list http://freestateproject.org/getinvolved/liaisons/
18:18:06 [clhfreeguy] Hi Jean
18:18:08 [jean] at least in the case of homeschooling
18:18:21 [jean] The barrier I run into often is that the homeschool rules in NH
18:18:27 [Detroiter] Hi y'all- I'm new to this chat room biz...
18:18:36 [jean] are worse than most people are used to
18:18:38 [PaulT] okay
18:18:47 [PaulT] because I've been doing a fair amount of outreach to a local wiccan group
18:18:53 [jean] Not every community will have that problem of course.
18:18:53 [katdillon] Hi Detroiter. If you have any questions, just fire away
18:18:58 [PaulT] I'll have to look them up
18:19:11 [jean] I am working on writing to well known education folk
18:19:15 [MiclEdlstn] How do we decide if an interest of ours rates as an appropriate liaison group?
18:19:15 [katdillon] Great, Paul
18:19:26 [jean] such as Gatto and Albert and soliticiting, politely, endorsements
18:19:36 [katdillon] Michael, you can talk to Chris Harrison about it
18:19:41 [clhfreeguy] Hello Detroiter, we are discussing methods of recruiting into the FSP, presently Jean Alexander is presenting
18:19:48 [MiclEdlstn] What's the criteria or definition of a Liaison Group?
18:19:56 [Detroiter] OK, I'm the liason to the aviation community, but ain't done squat.
18:19:58 [PatK] how about the transgendard Amish is there a liason for that?
18:20:09 [katdillon] lol Pat
18:20:12 [chrisL] What if I have an interest, but don't know where to start?
18:20:19 [MiclEdlstn]
18:20:42 [jean] Start with my document ChrisL
18:20:44 [PaulT] michael: what group do you want to be a liaison to?
18:20:56 [chrisL] OK
18:21:03 [katdillon] ChrisL, just ask one of us and hopefully we can help
18:21:06 [jean] Use what you can, try different things
18:21:07 [queuetue] Detroiter, welcome to the club - (official done-squatters)
18:21:30 [jean] Another thing I do is do an internet search on education issues
18:21:39 [katdillon] Here's jean's document, for those who just came in: http://www.soulawakenings.com/liaisons_ideas.txt
18:21:41 [jean] about once a week
18:21:58 [chrisL] I just don't want to make some calls & come off like an idiot
18:21:59 [jean] I send interesting articles to the forum, email lists, etc.
18:22:02 [mrdthree] Is there any way to measure results for liaisons?
18:22:18 [jean] I reply to publications (LTEs) with support or disagreement
18:22:29 [clhfreeguy] If you have an interest in working with the Liaisons please talk to me at harrisonchiro@bellsouth.net we want to talk about recruiting tonight
18:22:33 [jean] always using the FSP website etc.
18:22:38 [mrdthree] Im not looking for competition just want to know what strategies work
18:22:56 [katdillon] The only way we'd know results is if we got people signing up saying that they heard of the FSP through X liaison group
18:22:57 [jean] Results - well I know I've gotten people to look at the website and check us out
18:23:27 [jean] And people might not give us credit. They might say "email list" or "website"
18:23:39 [queuetue] Liaison is a funny word for what is being described here ... 'liaison' means 'promoter' or 'recruiter'? I thought it was more of a bridge role, not a recruiting role... (not sure if I'd be very good pushing stuff on people. )
18:23:42 [PaulT] honestly, I'd kind of like to be told if someone signs up and lists some activity of mine as what recruited them
18:23:51 [MiclEdlstn] PaulT> I noticed some FSPers are gradualists and some are abolitionists. Perhaps each could have a liaison group.
18:24:00 [clhfreeguy] Our hooking up signers to our work in liaisons has not been as well defined as I would like and we are working on that
18:24:01 [katdillon] I publish a list of where people who've just joined heard about the fsp every week on the forum
18:24:12 [cneufer] I have sent out an email to our membership & so far one has responded and looked at your site & is considering joining/moving
18:24:19 [PaulT] like speaking at the NORML conference as drug reform liaison, or the ads we placed on a couple video game servers and video game community liaison
18:24:26 [katdillon] http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?board=25;action=display;threadid=8333
18:24:49 [jean] Recruiting is an interesting topic. We're asking people for a big commitment
18:24:58 [katdillon] that's great, cneufer
18:25:06 [jean] I think for many it take some time to take the leap
18:25:12 [RussellK]>[queuetue] just do what come natural to you with the oss world
18:25:15 [jean] If we seed the idea we're doing our part
18:25:19 [mrdthree] Thanks Kat I saw that page Does anyone have date information like you have reasons?
18:25:29 [Detroiter] Kat, I love that list of where people heard of FSP...great resource!
18:25:33 [jean] If we catch them closer to the decision making point that's great too.
18:25:51 [mrdthree] At least you could look for temporal correlations with things you do
18:26:01 [katdillon] mrdthree, do you need the exact date for some reason?
18:26:05 [cneufer] This is from North Ohio NORML
18:26:19 [mrdthree] I am doing mass emailings to college students and I want to know
18:26:24 [katdillon] the list I post is always sign ups from the last week
18:26:25 [mrdthree] if there is a change
18:26:31 [jean] mrdthree - I agree that is a good exercise
18:26:46 [jean] I did the first big signup analysis in January.
18:26:46 [clhfreeguy] I would entertain most any area for liaisons but if it is too small an area or too far out it just wouldn't be worth setting up. However, you show me results like siging up 5 new members and I'll set up in moon birdwatching
18:26:53 [cneufer] Thanx, Kat, I am trying to get as many people as possible interested. We have your literature at our NORML store here in Ohio.
18:27:00 [mrdthree] Id like to get hte raw data from the membership curves if anyone has it
18:27:08 [jean] Just from looking at the data you can see spikes around certain events
18:27:09 [katdillon] excellent!
18:27:31 [clhfreeguy] Kat are you ready to share with us your recruiting methods?
18:27:41 [queuetue] What gets sold in a NORML store?
18:28:00 [PaulT] hey, I just noticed someone did sign up from our counter strike ads! w00t
18:28:10 [cneufer] I could also get something in our local LP newsletter if you would like.
18:28:14 [RussellK]
18:28:18 [MiclEdlstn] clhfreeguy> Chris, if I come to you with five members, then you'll make it an official FSP Liaison Group?
18:28:18 [katdillon] No. I just want to do a brainstorming session on how to reach your target liaison audience
18:28:29 [katdillon] which is what Jean has been talking about
18:28:59 [RussellK] MiclEdlstn> if you bring in 5 you are a FSP hero
18:29:08 [cneufer] We have our NORML t-shirts, hats, coolies, coffee cups, hemp products, incense, books, hippie stuff, etc.
18:29:08 [clhfreeguy] OK great why don't you pose some questions that can get us started on that?
18:29:12 [katdillon] So let's just bounce around some ideas for reaching your group
18:29:38 [katdillon] What are the best ways to communicate to your groups?
18:29:45 [MiclEdlstn] RussellK> I'm referring to five who are already FSP members.
18:30:06 [RussellK]
18:30:22 [PaulT] w00t, 6 signups from our counterstrike ads, I'm feeling proud
18:30:35 [PaulT] plus a couple people from theagitator
18:30:39 [clhfreeguy] OK Liaisons, lets focus in on recruiting and open it up to solid, practical ideas that you have found to work
18:30:47 [PaulT] do I get a golden porcupine yet?
18:30:55 [RussellK] you the man pault
18:31:01 [chrisL] What if I'm already new to my community, should I write a formal letter of introduction?
18:31:08 [katdillon] sounds like you've earned one Paul
18:31:46 [PaulT] well, as far as recruitment in groups that aren't strictly libertarian, I find that a somewhat general message of freedom that's not offensive gets interested people to look into it more
18:31:48 [Detroiter] Best way to communicate...example, Libertarians- FSP placed ads in their papers & sent speakers to their meetings.
18:32:00 [RussellK] chrisL> what exactly do you mean?
18:32:08 [PaulT] if you're too pushy up front, people will be down on you and discourage others from joining
18:32:13 [cneufer] Good going, Detroiter
18:32:22 [katdillon] One way of reaching the audience that seems like it would be hugely effective is what Evan Nappen just did: got an article published in a gun rights magazine
18:32:33 [PatK] I don't know about aporcupine Paul but Iwill buy ya a beer at porc fest
18:32:34 [queuetue] I've made an attempt to get popular F/OSS individuals to carry the torch, but unfortunately, the paragons of my sphere, while interested in the FSP, charge for appearances/support events. Dissapointing to discover those feet of clay...
18:32:41 [PaulT] but if you have a general and positive message, then people who are interested will look more in depth and some will join
18:32:42 [katdillon] Do most of your liaison communities have periodicals published?
18:32:51 [jean] Agree Kat -
18:32:54 [Detroiter] cneufer- Not my doing, just my observation.
18:33:22 [cneufer] Oh--OK
18:33:38 [chrisL] I just mean that I'm new to the FSP, and new to liason work & will probably be doing some more research
18:33:39 [katdillon] ChrisL, are you thinking about being an anti war liaison?
18:33:50 [clhfreeguy] Well, ok here is one: read the editorials in the newspaper. There are often passionate replies. It almost like this chat room and many people get involed and thousands read them. Prepare a well done, sensible piece that solves the problem with FSP membership.
18:33:57 [chrisL] yes Kat
18:34:01 [jean] Even not community based periodicals could be considered too
18:34:40 [cneufer] Has anyone asked if NORML would put you as a link on their web site? We could possibly put it on ours: http://northohio.norml.net
18:34:41 [MiclEdlstn] chrisL> Where do I sign up?
18:34:53 [katdillon] What you could start out doing is joining in online communities/email lists related to anti war efforts and begin talking to them about the FSP
18:35:16 [RussellK] chrisL> one idea is just being active in your community and being a good representative of the FSP
18:35:24 [katdillon] You could also attend anti war events in Mass, or Maine, etc
18:35:31 [katdillon] and hand out FSP literature
18:35:37 [katdillon] which you get from here:
18:35:42 [RussellK]
18:35:52 [katdillon] http://freestateproject.org/getinvolved/downloads/
18:35:59 [cneufer] Russel, I agree. And I do hand out literature (in our store).
18:36:34 [jean] Make a community trifold!
18:36:38 [chrisL] this is good
18:36:43 [cneufer] We are also a member of our local Chamber of Commerce (active in our community)
18:36:49 [jean] The gun rights one is on the downloads page now
18:37:00 [katdillon] If you're active in an online community, you can use your email signature with the FSP url to get people's interest
18:37:04 [jean] The education/homeschooling one will be up in the next day or two
18:37:15 [katdillon] Oh that's great Jean!
18:37:32 [katdillon] Make FSP literature specific to your group
18:37:34 [queuetue] Those that have done active recruiting ... does proximity to NH make a difference in how effective your message is? (Mainers might consider NH to be a sunny vacation spot, whereas those from Georgia may consider it uninhabitable tundra)
18:37:38 [PaulT] anyways, I have to go
18:37:45 [PaulT] this was very motivating
18:37:50 [RussellK] cneufer> handing out in your store is cool
18:37:50 [PaulT] thanks!
18:37:52 [katdillon] great idea, cneufer
18:38:01 [katdillon] Thanks for coming Paul
18:38:12 [Detroiter] I did a flyer for aviation community, but didn't get any feedback- now needs an update anyway.
18:38:14 [jean] I think it depends on how important liberty vs. weather is to the person'
18:38:22 [MiclEdlstn] I've been active in the local San Francisco LP. I've spoken to the members about the FSP.
18:38:31 [jean] I would have happily moved to Alaska so I can't relate to that particular objection
18:38:31 [clhfreeguy] In addition to what Jean has done with homeschooling, peruse Evan Nappen's site on 2nd amendment rights he is dynamic
18:38:46 [jean] Unless someone has arthritis or something ...
18:38:52 [katdillon] queue, it does seem like it would be easier to recruit from areas close to NH. People are used to the weather and don't have as far to move. I came all the way from TX!
18:38:53 [RussellK] queuetue> if they believe in freedom they will come
18:39:12 [chrisL] I moved from the west coast & wasn't really sure right away!
18:39:19 [jean] LOL RussellK
18:39:20 [queuetue] Detroiter, I run http://www.rsvpair.com - if you get something aviation-and-FSP related, I'd be happy to drive some traffic your way.
18:39:23 [katdillon] Michael, that brings up an idea: speak at events related to your community
18:39:33 [cneufer] Kat, thanks for sending me the reminders of these chats--first time I've had a chance to attend since on Thursdays I attend Ohio Patient Network Paltalk meetings.
18:39:38 [RussellK] Detroiter> could you post your flyer idea to our liaison yahoo group?
18:40:05 [Detroiter] Har! I took Jean's comment to mean importance of liberty vs. "watching paint dry".
18:40:13 [cneufer] That is the medicinal marijuana org here in Ohio. Maybe I should send them some infor too?
18:40:24 [RussellK] I came from CA
18:40:39 [Detroiter] Sure, Russell, but I'd like to update 1st as new pilot laws just passed.
18:40:41 [MiclEdlstn] Kat, how about speaking at local LP groups, no matter what liaison group you're with?
18:41:06 [katdillon] Yes Michael, always an excellent recruiting idea
18:41:19 [RussellK] Detroiter> we can comment and help edit out typos
18:41:34 [katdillon] Here's the liaisons yahoo group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FSP-Liaisons/
18:41:55 [chrisL] I guess a person needs to be outgoing & willing to speak to groups of people to be a liason...
18:42:22 [Detroiter] OK, I'd post it now but the file is at work.
18:42:30 [cneufer] I am
18:42:32 [RussellK] not every liaison will do public speaking
18:42:38 [katdillon] chris, I could see doing it only online even while being reserved. You don't have to do the public speaking or anything
18:42:56 [clhfreeguy] Michael, if you have speaking abilities, speaking before LP and other freedom groups is great and you can just talk on the FSP
18:42:59 [MiclEdlstn] chrisL> Not necessarily. You could delegate the public speaking to others.
18:43:22 [katdillon] whatever you do is going to be more than what was being done without you, so just do what you're comfortable with
18:43:31 [chrisL] I don't mind, I'm just trying to figure out what the role entails
18:43:57 [Detroiter] cneuf- where are you (and the store) located relative to Toledo?
18:43:58 [katdillon] chris, It seems to be what you make of it
18:44:10 [RussellK] chrisL> anything positive is good
18:44:11 [chrisL] thanx Kat! That's a nice thing to say
18:44:12 [jean] Speaker's group can help with speakers if necessary
18:44:26 [jean] Find people who are interested to work with you ... etc.
18:44:45 [queuetue] ... And why is the "NH picture" on the FSP website a sugarbush, when it's obviously apple season?
18:45:00 [cneufer] Interesting you asked, since I just spoke a couple weeks ago at the new University of Toledo NORML chapter (they are great kids!).
18:45:02 [katdillon] That's true Jean, if you need a speaker, contact Phil Denisch pdenisch@freestateproject.org
18:45:09 [cneufer] We are about 2 hours from there.
18:45:23 [chrisL] I guess the first thing to do (for me) is to research my community of interest
18:45:33 [katdillon] Haha, would anyone but you know that, queue
18:45:46 [RussellK] chrisL> can't hurt
18:46:10 [cneufer] Detroiter, we are about 50 minutes south of Cleveland
18:46:11 [chrisL] and make some friends
18:46:23 [MiclEdlstn] cneufer: Was there any interest in the FSP?
18:46:56 [queuetue] katdillon: Ayuh, most anyone who grew up playing with old "live free or die" license plates.
18:46:56 [mrdthree] In my efforts to talk to libertarian college clubs I have found that there is more awareness of the FSP than interest in joining
18:46:58 [Detroiter] cneufer- We're neighbors! Toledo is as close for me as Ann Arbor, and I go to their LP stuff at times.
18:47:03 [katdillon] and since it's something you're already interested in, Chris, it'll be fun getting involved in the community
18:47:12 [mrdthree] The main question I get from student is about jobsa nd schools
18:47:20 [katdillon]
18:47:32 [mrdthree] just a thought if anyone has a comment
18:47:32 [cneufer] I did not speak about FSP at the University--but that is a good suggestion. I will send your infor to Chris, who is heading that group, OK?
18:47:32 [jean] Some of the obstacles we run into are found by all involved in recruiting
18:47:44 [cneufer] OOps, I meant "info"
18:47:51 [clhfreeguy] ChrisL first go to the list of liaisons and see if there is a community there that interests you. If not like I said if you have an interest and you can show us that it has potential we can set you up as a liaison leader. We want serious people getting in and doing it
18:48:00 [jean] I need to work on that "obstacles to joining and their solutions" document!
18:48:28 [MiclEdlstn] cneufer> Fine!
18:49:14 [katdillon] here's the liaison list again : http://freestateproject.org/getinvolved/liaisons/
18:49:54 [chrisL] I am serious, but I want to be educated & not walk into something that I'm not equipped for
18:49:56 [clhfreeguy] Thanks, Kat
18:50:18 [katdillon] What kind of conferences/events are going on in your communities that you might attend?
18:51:02 [katdillon] chrisL, most of us are totally new to activism and winging it
18:51:03 [clhfreeguy] Good question
18:51:22 [jean] Thanks Kat. Maybe we can do this again next month?
18:51:41 [chrisL] LOL
18:51:54 [katdillon] Yes ma'am. If anyone wants to set up a chat specific for their liaison community, I can set that up
18:52:27 [chrisL] I appreciate to positive reinforcement
18:52:32 [katdillon] or we can certainly have another general liaison chat like this if it would be useful to y'all
18:53:13 [clhfreeguy] How about, gun shows, tax issue groups, religious freedom groups, informed juries groups, honest money groups etc
18:53:25 [chrisL] after my research, I might have some more question
18:53:27 [jean] ChrisL - First think, don't worry. Just try different things. Read my doc, email other liaisons!
18:53:33 [katdillon] good ideas clh
18:53:45 [Detroiter] I think this chat was "on target", & enjoyed it!
18:53:47 [chrisL] OK Jean
18:53:52 [RussellK]
18:53:52 [mrdthree] before y'all go, anyone know where can I get in detail membership stats esp. dates?
18:53:54 [jean] Oops, First thing ...
18:53:54 [katdillon] So would people want another general liaison session like this?
18:54:38 [mrdthree] If someone has something to present it may be useful
18:54:40 [katdillon] mrdthree, I will get you that info, just email me.
18:54:42 [jean] mrdthree - the database is considered confidential but I can get you dates and numbers of signups
18:54:48 [mrdthree] like jean did this time
18:54:48 [jean] Yes Kat
18:55:14 [mrdthree] thanks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
18:55:14 [Detroiter] Kat- That'd be fine. Perhaps we should all try something new, so we can report what works.
18:55:22 [cneufer] I am an experienced activist, and will help out when I can
18:55:25 [chrisL] I would be interested
18:55:30 [katdillon] Great idea, Detroiter
18:55:47 [jean] mrdthree - email me at jalex@hand-off.com
18:56:02 [katdillon] cneufer: awesome. We can always use experienced help
18:56:14 [jean] I also think regular meetings gives us deadlines of sort to try and report on new things
18:56:25 [jean] brainstorm with eachother, etc.
18:56:53 [cneufer] jean--yes
18:56:57 [RussellK] 1 hour a month could be very helpful
18:57:00 [jean] I've got to go now though
18:57:02 [katdillon] I will set up another chat about a month from now, then
18:57:24 [chrisL] It would give me a type of goal
18:57:40 [cneufer] Nice meeting you all, gotta go. Maybe you could start these sessions at 8:00?
18:57:40 [clhfreeguy] I promised to wind up at 10:00 EST, so before you all leave, thanks so much for coming and sharing, it was great to see so mcu input and questions. If anyone needs to get in touch with me re:Liaisons, I am at harrisonchiro@bellsouth.net.
18:57:45 [MiclEdlstn] Bye, Jean. Thanks for all your suggestions.
18:57:59 [katdillon] Tuesday December 14th?
18:58:19 [chrisL] thanx all
18:58:21 [mrdthree] bye thanks
18:58:32 [katdillon] good night Jean. Thanks!
18:58:46 [ct236] Hey! Where's everyone going! I just got here!!!!