Recruiting Workshop - Chat
This Thursday evening 11/11/04, we will be holding a recruiting workshop. Your recruiting efforts are critical to the success of the Free State Project if we are to reach our 20,000 goal. Please bring your questions and recruiting ideas and join us at freestateproject.org/chat at 9pm ET. Hope to see you there!
Here's a transcript of the chat that took place:
18:03:31 [Kat] I'm Kat Dillon, Volunteer support director for the Free State Project
18:03:45 [Kat] Thank you all for coming tonight
18:03:49 [ct236] That's funny...we thought you were Kat Kanning....
18:04:22 [ct236] :--)
18:04:27 [Kat] First off, I'd like to hear what aspects of recruiting you all are interested in, or have questions about
18:04:38 [Russell] We are tag teaming you tonight
18:05:18 [nx2059] we need to decide who is most receptive to Libertarian ideals and target them
18:05:20 [Kat] Hush Tim :P
18:05:52 [gitelsarah] I don't even have the foggiest idea on how to recruit. I'd like to hear what some people have done that is successful.
18:05:55 [ct236] Oh shucks...I thought I was anonymous. I agree with nx by the way.
18:06:26 PatK enters this room
18:06:28 JohnM enters this room
18:06:33 [nx2059] read the folling post..
18:06:35 Jon enters this room
18:06:43 [PatK] Hi Kat and all
18:07:13 [Kat] Nice idea, an online game
18:07:46 DadaOrwell enters this room
18:07:54 [Kat] Let's start with some general ideas on how to recruit, and then we can focus on the libertarians and games ideas
18:07:56 [nx2059] God knows we have enough IT people with the FSP..
18:08:00 [ct236] Hey Dada.
18:08:08 [Kat] Hi everyone who just came in
18:08:10 [DadaOrwell] hi all!
18:08:31 [JohnM] Hi, everyone!
18:08:33 anonymous enters this room
18:08:46 [Kat] The best way to recruit is through the local groups
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18:08:53 BR enters this room
18:09:00 SkippyBob enters this room
18:09:02 [Kat] gitelsarah, are you near a local group, do you know?
18:09:19 [nx2059] I'm just thinking that if you wanna recuit it would be best to spend your time and energy on demographics who are going to but our um... how shall I say... "radical" ideas..
18:09:31 [ct236] General ideas on how to recruit? Target, target, target, is my first thought. There is no general constituency for libertarianism or really smaller government in America today. Thus, we've got to look for recruits in specific subsets of the population.
18:09:36 [nx2059] buy'
18:09:40 [gitelsarah] You mean the FSP Chicago-Milwaukee group?
18:09:51 [gitelsarah] Or do you mean some non-FSP group?
18:10:05 [Kat] Oh great. Tim Bauman's a good guy
18:10:11 [Kat] Yes, that group
18:10:25 [JohnM] Kat, do you know what's behind the recent surge in sign-ups? Just wondering what's working now.
18:10:44 [nx2059] I would guess it's GW..
18:11:00 [Kat] Some general things you can do with your local group is target local events that have some liberty bent
18:11:13 [jonathani1] Good idea
18:11:16 [Kat] like gun shows
18:11:27 [Kat] and hand out flyers about the FSP
18:11:36 [Kat] talk to people about it
18:11:40 [jonathani1] Homeschooling associations
18:11:51 [nx2059] gun shows tend to be filled with republicans.
18:12:13 [Kat] JohnM...I can't trace it down to one thing. The Reason Magazine article helped, but that isn't all it
18:12:25 [jonathani1] we need republicans and dems
18:12:26 [JohnM] ok, thanks.
18:12:34 [Kat] my theory is people are fed up because of the election and are looking for something else
18:12:52 [jonathani1] libertarian ones
18:12:58 [JohnM] That's what I was thinking too.
18:13:03 [Russell] I agree
18:13:47 [Kat] Other things that can be done is to get involved with the Community Liaisons, the Speakers Bureau
18:13:49 [nx2059] the thing is though, if we attract republicans and dems, we'll end up with what we have now.
18:14:06 [JohnM] Not necessarily.
18:14:18 [JohnM] Some Republicans want small government.
18:14:18 [nx2059] why not?
18:14:31 [jonathani1] I'm personally conservative, politically libertarian
18:14:33 [Kat] Liaisons target one specific group, such as homeschoolers or gun rights
18:14:39 [JohnM] Not all Reps want to spend tax dollars like drunken sailors.
18:14:46 [ct236] Because many Republicans are libertarians, such as Ron Paul. And there are left-libertarians within the Democratic party.
18:15:02 [Kat] Speakers go out to local events and talk to people about the FSP
18:15:15 [jonathani1] Kat, any effort to reach out to mainstream America?
18:15:21 [JohnM] I'm a registered Independent and this year was the first time I voted for any Libertarian candidate.
18:15:29 [JonM] a large segment of people who would support the FSP probably still think Libertarians (big L) are all or nothing extremist nutjobs
18:15:36 [ct236] A waste of time and other resources, IMO, Jon.
18:15:38 [nx2059] Yea, but why arn't they assoiated with the LP, or running as independants?
18:15:50 [JohnM] The FSP is not strictly for Libertarians so our recruitment should not be limited to just them.
18:16:23 [Kat] One really effective method of recruiting I've seen recently...
18:16:30 [nx2059] yea, but our eventual goal is pretty much what the LP's goals are
18:16:33 [jonathani1] ct -- the problem is that the movement needs to reach beyond current libertarians to reach critical mass
18:16:35 [JohnM] nx, that's a whole different discussion.
18:16:38 [ct236] Because there's no chance of making any changes or of getting elected if you work only within the LP. Ditto for being independents.
18:16:55 [Kat] An ad was placed (for not a lot of money) in an online newsletter. We got about a dozen signups out of it
18:17:01 [nx2059] fair enough JM
18:17:05 Seth enters this room
18:17:11 [Kat] people can look for venues for such ads
18:17:40 [nx2059] what was the content of the add?
18:17:40 [JohnM] We need to focus our recruiting efforts on anyone who seeks a small, limited government - regardless of party affiliation.
18:17:44 [jonathani1] Libs are spinning the Benson upset -- it was a huge loss
18:17:55 [jonathani1] Unless we can do better in NH, it's over
18:18:03 [ct236] Yes, Jon, the FSP does need to reach beyond current libertarians, but *all* the people we reach out to must be freedom-lovers, and in favor of radical reduction in the size and scope of government. That's not a generally held view within the general population.
18:18:13 [JohnM] Kat, what online newsletter? What type of organization?
18:18:28 [Kat] So what venues, other than the Libertarian party, do people think we should recruit from?
18:18:32 [Seth] Benson lost due to Kerry voters... he was otherwise doing well enough to win a second term.
18:18:57 [Kat] JohnM, it was "This is True" which went out to a couple hundred thousand people
18:19:05 [JonM] Cato Republicans
18:19:22 [ct236] Constitutionalists. 2nd Amendment supporters. Home schoolers. Anti-taxpayer groups.
18:19:43 [Kat] Any ideas on how to encourage CATO to support us?
18:19:52 [ct236] Benson may also have lost because of vote fraud in NH. It's being looked into by the state attorney general now.
18:19:53 [Kat] They haven't been receptive to the idea
18:19:56 [JohnM] Kat, I'm not familiar with "This is True". Is it a libertarian-oriented pub?
18:20:15 [jonathani1] Re: successful publicity: I'm curious, has anyone from the New York City encountered the Jews for Jesus momement?
18:20:18 [JonM] advertising on drudge woulda been worth nearly any price for november 2nd...I think he said he got like 30 million hits or something
18:20:28 [Seth] Anti-taxpayer groups: dangerous group (and I'm an anti-tax person) due to too much bad press.
18:20:30 [Kat] No, it's not libertarian at all. It just a news of the weird type thing
18:20:34 [JonM] Kat: bribes?
18:20:38 [jonathani1] With 30 volunteers, in a month, they handed out over 1000,000 pamphlets
18:20:44 [ct236] It's quirkly, John. Check it out: http://www.thisistrue.com/
18:20:47 [JohnM] ok, thanks Kat.
18:20:59 [gitelsarah] We have Jews for J in Chicago.
18:21:02 [JohnM] thanks.
18:21:29 [Seth] 2nd amendment supporters: the NRA is not going to endorse us. They had Tim arrested as I recall.
18:21:32 [Kat] That's great, jonathan! How did they get that done?
18:21:46 [JohnM] As for Cato, my guess is they can't endorse the FSP because of the political aspect of it. dunno.
18:21:55 [Kat] well having tim arrested was a great service to mankind
18:22:03 [ct236] Yes. But Larry Pratt of the Gun Owners of America *has* endorsed us, and I'll bet the JPFO would also.
18:22:32 [ct236] Thank you Kathyn. Russell, divorce her.
18:22:47 [Kat] More interesting to the duscussion here tonight though, is what we as individuals can do to recruit
18:23:11 [Seth] I'd prefer to see reaching out to new groups
18:23:22 [jonathani1] Kat, J4J volunteers hit the streets for a month in July. They hand out pamphlets, all hand-written and reproduced on bright color sheets. Each pamphlet can be read in under a minute -- contains only a nugget of their message.
18:23:23 [ct236] Name 'em Seth.
18:23:26 [Russell] which new groups?
18:23:27 [JohnM] What kind of groups, Seth?
18:23:44 [Seth] the Business entrepreneur idea comes to mind.
18:23:44 [jonathani1] They have catchy titles such as "Beware of religious fanatics handing out pamphlets"
18:23:50 [Kat] for Cato, you could attend cato events and talk to people, hand out FSP literature
18:23:57 [jonathani1] And "eating healthier and enjoying it less"
18:24:09 [Kat] wow re j4j
18:24:26 [Seth] jon: unless you plan on herding lots of cats into a cult, we aren't going to be able to do a J4J style thing.
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18:25:02 [Kat] Seth, it's interesting to see how they got this accomplished, not their message
18:25:10 [Seth] other groups: We've done little with the left side, due to the percieved big government mindset.
18:25:23 [JohnM] I like the idea of targeting business owners/entrepreneurs....as long as they intend to be politically active.
18:25:39 [nx2059] I ran a libertaian booth at my college a while back, and I got a lot of resistance from everybody.. Though I do live in Illinois
18:25:40 [jonathani1] My point re: J4J: With minimal money, and a very abbreivated, repeated message, geared to current events and pop culture, they are exceedingly successful at getting across their message
18:25:59 [Seth] Kat: They got people to stand around, handing out pamplets to everyone.... for hours and hours... can't imagine FSP types doing that without a cult
18:26:19 [gitelsarah] In Chicago, J4J frequently has volunteers standing on street corners downtown passing out pamphlets. Especially during rush hour.
18:26:31 [jonathani1] right sarah
18:26:40 [nx2059] the question is though is handing out pamphlets to everybody really going to get people change their political views?
18:26:48 [Russell] I did it at a homeschooling convention
18:26:48 [Kat] well, I could see some stoned FSPers doing that :P
18:27:10 [Seth] The key is going to be targeted marketing. Unlike J4J, we aren't looking for just anyone.
18:27:17 [jonathani1] nx -- for the thousands of people that take the broadside, if a hundred in an hour contact them, it's worth it
18:27:22 [Kat] you're going to get the message out to a targeted group who might be interested
18:27:26 [philwelch] another question is, are we going to recruit existing freedom sympathyzers, or convert people to freedom sympathizers, and proceed to recruit them?
18:27:28 [gitelsarah] I would think that it would be better to distribute fewer flyers to better targets, rather than trying to get to everyone.
18:27:33 [philwelch] exactly
18:27:35 [JohnM] I don't think we should be trying to change peoples' political views. We want to find people who already desire smaller government.
18:27:38 [Seth] we want to reach what is estimated to be around 14-17% of the general population.
18:27:38 [jonathani1] The pamphlets are far cheaper than tv, etc
18:28:11 [Kat] I think mostly recruit freedom sympathizers
18:28:17 [Russell] handing out pamphlets can put our name before people and let them know we are alive and kicking
18:28:18 [Seth] pamphlets are untargeted marketing.
18:28:24 [JonM] we need to get Michael Moore to hate us, then we'll get lots of publicity!
18:28:33 [Kat] the LP has been trying to educate for years....not that education shouldn't be done
18:28:39 [philwelch] it's not that hard, we need to find 14,000 libertarians in the united states who haven't already signed up
18:28:48 [Seth] Unless you are handing them out in a special event (Thank you Russell)
18:28:49 [nx2059] but if we attract people who "think" they want smaller government but don't understand the consquences of limited government, that it will be in vain.
18:28:58 [Kat] lol JonM
18:29:08 [jonathani1] Are there enough existing liberarians in the US who will move to NH?
18:29:14 [jonathani1] Education is key
18:29:29 [jonathani1] I don't think we can grow further without bringing new people in
18:29:36 [jonathani1] publicity only goes so far
18:29:37 [JohnM] jonathani1 ~ that is the $64,000 question.
18:29:42 [Russell] how about anti Michael moore pamphlets
18:29:48 [Kat] There are plenty of libertarians out there
18:29:49 [Seth] Libertarians, no. Small-l, yes. 14% of the population minimum is small L.
18:30:06 [philwelch] badnarik got 400,000 votes. adding in libertarians who didn't vote for badnarik, we could easily get 14k
18:30:23 [jonathani1] Committed libertarians? Ones who will do more than mark a ballot?
18:30:39 [gitelsarah] I must be tired. I thought phil said 14,000 LIBRARIANS. But since so many of them are affected by the Patriot Act, they probably understand smaller government. Maybe we should target them.
18:30:40 [Kat] Targeting Badnarik voters would be great
18:30:41 [jonathani1] Practically, we have not seen that level of commitment
18:30:46 [nx2059] I told my brother that in a true libertarian state, you could go walking down the street high and armed to the teeth.. This was just the honest truth that we have to convince people to bet on.
18:30:49 [Seth] The question is: if we've reach the 1-2% who know they are L, where are the small-L who don't realize they are, and how can we target them?
18:30:56 [philwelch] well, that's what i'm saying, a minority of that 400k
18:30:58 [Kat] sarah
18:31:16 [philwelch] Seth, that seems to be what Advocates for Self-Govt are doing
18:31:37 [Seth] Sarah, all the Librarians must move to Claremont. The press is expecting them.
18:31:40 [Kat] We should find the small l libs in related groups, gun rights, etc.
18:31:50 [Kat] lol Seth
18:31:57 [jonathani1] Kat: Where can I get a graphic file (vector-based) of the Porc logo?
18:32:01 [Seth] Phil: Advocates preaches to the choir... sad but true.
18:32:04 [jonathani1] I would like to print some posters
18:32:15 [JohnM] Would it be possible for the FSP to get the list of people who donated to the Badnarik campaign. that would be a targeted list.
18:32:26 [Kat] just a sec...I'll look jonathan
18:32:35 [jonathani1] Good idea, JohnM
18:32:38 [Seth] JohnM: it's public info, thanks to the SEC.
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18:33:10 [jonathani1] It would be interesting to find out how much we can purchase the list for
18:33:11 [Kat] http://freestateproject.org/getinvolved/downloads/logos/
18:33:16 [JohnM] Addresses too?
18:33:21 [jonathani1] A mailing campaign would be a good idea.
18:33:23 [Kat] are those high enough quality?
18:33:27 [philwelch] being a porc himself, Badnarik could help recruit
18:33:54 [philwelch] when he's done with his current project (recounting Ohio)
18:33:55 [gitelsarah] What about having a joint OPH / FSP booth? Once we get people to realize they are libertarians, it might be easier to sell them on FSP.
18:33:58 [Kat] I saw an ad for 5000 tri color postcards for ~$400
18:34:03 [JohnM] I look into what's available on the FEC website as far as public info goes.
18:34:19 [philwelch] i dunno, gitelsarah
18:34:24 [Kat] OPH?
18:34:31 [Seth] Jon: email Tom and ask him if we have a vector of the logo, not sure we do.
18:34:41 [philwelch] it's easy to convince people, "hey, my political views are closer to these libertarians than to anyone else"
18:34:44 [gitelsarah] Operation Politically Homeless. It's an Advocates outreach tool.
18:34:59 [Seth] Sarah: Yes, I'm working on a quiz just for that reason.
18:35:00 [philwelch] it's quite another thing to convince people, "hey, i'm going to DISRUPT MY LIVE AND MOVE TO NEW HAMPSHIRE!"
18:35:25 [JohnM] That's exactly right, Phil.
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18:35:33 [nx2059] philw- yea, that's a problem
18:35:35 [jonathani1] Thanks Kat. I'm downloading now. Will check back
18:35:39 [philwelch] that's why i think we should focus on those who are already devoted to the cause
18:36:01 [nx2059] or target the youth.
18:36:03 [JohnM] Voting and supporting Libertarians and other small-government candidates is one thing....moving to NH and being politically active is a whole different ballgame.
18:36:18 [philwelch] although we shouldn't underestimate the impact of recruiting disaffected college students
18:36:31 [Kat] What's cool is that there are so many people in the FSP, we can target those who are devoted to liberty, and we can also try and target other people
18:36:36 [Russell] that is why porcupines rock
18:36:45 [Kat] who maybe don't know yet what liberty means to them
18:36:52 [Seth] Phil: Sad but true, we're getting lots of resistance from some strong LP types. They are scared that many will move and their own state will lose help. (Despite the fact that not one state LP is doing well now)
18:37:30 [philwelch] well, i think the national LP strategy should adjust to compensate. focusing funds and other fluid resources to NH and a few other states
18:37:31 [Kat] I think this country is so getting so bad more and more people realize that something needs to change
18:37:40 [nx2059] again Seth points out another reason for targeting the younger audience
18:37:40 [philwelch] like MA and IL, which have weak Republican parties
18:37:46 [johnbrush] Hi All: I'm very new to this so trying to get some sense of where this is going.
18:37:49 [Kat] Democrats are thinking of emigating to Canada, wow
18:37:50 [JohnM] I agree, Kat.
18:38:10 [nx2059] and once the dem's are gone, we'll be stuck in Jesus land
18:38:11 [philwelch] the LP doesn't need to have a nationwide presence
18:38:16 [JohnM] Hi, John B. Welcome.
18:38:27 [philwelch] if we concentrate population in New Hampshire and other resources in other targeted states
18:38:28 [jonathani1] Kat: The lard JPG may work. I'm not sure.
18:38:28 [Kat] hi johnbrush, welcome
18:38:35 [jonathani1] large
18:38:55 [Seth] jonathani1> email@example.com I think
18:39:03 [JonM] weak doesn't begin to describe MA's republican party
18:39:25 [JonM] it needs to get a lot stronger to become weak
18:39:37 [philwelch] all we need to do, nationwide, is get enough congressional representation to cover the gap between the Republicans and Democrats, so that when we vote with the republicans, they win--when we vote with the democrats, they win--a dynamic, double coalition
18:39:45 [Seth] JonM: and notice that a anti-income tax made the ballot. Hmm..
18:39:58 [Kat] about the democrats moving: people are thinking that the situation here is dire enough to pack up and move. The time is ripe for the FSP
18:40:13 [Seth] phil: good luck, now back to reality and the FSP.
18:40:16 [philwelch] yeah
18:40:33 [jonathani1] Thanks Seth
18:40:37 [JonM] well the income tax repeal got a lot of support from people who fully realized that even if it passed the legislature would just re-enact it
18:40:37 [Kat] If I miss a question directed at me, please repeat
18:40:38 [philwelch] well, we can apply the same model in NH legislature
18:40:39 [nx2059] Kat- if of course they believe in what the FSP stands for.
18:41:09 [JohnM] One advertising idea that I've been thinking about is this...
18:41:13 [Seth] I think we need to target Maine, and Mass, and the other nearby "Blue" states...
18:41:13 [johnbrush] Hi, Thank you. I am in CT but have always looked to NH as a possible place to settle, mainly because of thier taxation policies but now you raise other possibilities
18:41:33 [gitelsarah] I thought I heard that Canada is not eagerly accepting any and all immigrants from USA. Those that can't get in to Canada may be interested in FSP.
18:41:56 [JonM] we don't want those people
18:42:08 [Seth] Phil: happened before (ask Don Gorman about it) and is happening again slowly (NHLA goal)
18:42:12 [philwelch] we don't necessarily want disaffected liberals
18:42:16 [svillee] For targeting specific states, it's interesting to look at the current member count by state, as a percentage of the population.
18:42:19 [Kat] I don't really want to recruit a lot of people interested in the nanny state
18:42:34 [JonM] if you're so ticked off that bush won, you're probably not for smaller government
18:42:41 [svillee] This may indicate states where the population tends to be receptive.
18:42:50 [philwelch] NH is already well outside of jesusland
18:43:10 [Seth] We want the 2% cream of the left, who are more libertarian, and less socialist.
18:43:14 [Kat] I'm so ticked off that bush won, I moved to NH
18:43:17 [svillee] District of Columbia is near the top of the list, with 24 current members and a population of only half a million.
18:43:35 [Seth] Anyone seen the Free Liberal newspaper?
18:44:07 [Seth] http://www.freeliberal.com
18:44:24 [JonM] didn't kerry get 90% of the DC vote?
18:44:42 [gitelsarah] Seth: Is there something of particular interest?
18:45:02 [jonathani1] Kat, are there any plans underway that individual members can get involved in? Current publicity
18:45:44 [Seth] Sarah: it's a left-libertarian newspaper. We need to reach those people.
18:46:02 [Kat] several people are getting together to recruit small businesses to move to NH
18:46:15 [nx2059] Wee need some feed back about recuiting and converting people ideas. Survey's come to mind.
18:46:25 [JohnM] Go to the About TFL page...in the current issue it's asking if a Libertarian can upset Bush in 2004.
18:46:56 [JohnM] Good find, Seth. I think that would be a good place to target left-libertarians.
18:46:57 [Kat] and you can ask Bob Hull about current ad campaigns firstname.lastname@example.org
18:47:21 [jonathani1] Will do... I'd like to help out -- time-wise and financially
18:47:32 [Kat] and talk to Steve Cobb about current publicity email@example.com
18:48:07 [Kat] if anyone is interested in recruiting small businesses, Evan Nappen is working on that firstname.lastname@example.org
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18:48:23 [Kat] Great, jonathan!
18:48:51 [Kat] nx2059 Would you be willing to write up a survey?
18:49:22 [nx2059] who would be the target audience? and in what context would it be used?
18:49:26 [JonM] they link the one state two state article that mentions the FSP on that site too
18:49:49 [Kat] I thought you had something in mind
18:50:02 [nx2059] ok, I got something...
18:50:47 [Seth] Quick brainstorm people: when you think Independent Individualist Self-responsible, what groups do you think of?
18:50:53 [nx2059] I guess the world's smallest politcal quiz could do.
18:51:05 [jonathani1] I have got to go. Good talking all
18:51:23 [PatK] the amish
18:51:27 [Kat] Seth is writing an FSP version of the smallest political quiz
18:51:36 [Kat] thanks for coming jonathan!
18:51:41 [gitelsarah] Maybe the survey should start with current FSPers and find out what made them join.
18:51:56 [Seth] Patk: good one.
18:52:00 [jonathani1] Thanks for your help Kat. Keep up the good work
18:52:05 [Kat] that's good info sarah
18:52:19 [Seth] http://gnuhampshire.org/fspquiz.php
18:52:19 [gitelsarah] I know I saw the ad in the LP News for months before I even thought of checking it out.
18:52:25 [nx2059] and use the SPQ to find out if they are actually in the libertarian area.
18:52:48 [Kat] we have a small amount of data on what made people join, but maybe a longer more detailed survey would help
18:53:03 [JonM] I first heard about the FSP on This American Life
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18:53:33 [Kat] This American Life was a while back?
18:53:35 [JonM] but then, I joined because they picked NH
18:53:41 [JonM] feb 2003 or so
18:54:22 [nx2059] we could spam people with Seth's quiz :-)
18:55:20 [JohnM] Does anyone know the FSP's plans for advertising?
18:56:11 [Seth] JohnM: Radio is one thing currently, some banner ads too.
18:56:39 [Seth] basically: the place for the right place... too many good places are priced too high for our current funds.
18:56:43 [JohnM] Oh yeah, I've pledge some bucks towards the MD radio ad.
18:56:55 [nx2059] how about online surveying, where the surveyers are paid to take the survey?
18:57:00 [Kat] JohnM, there should be a report on advertising from Bob Hull on the website soon
18:57:19 [JohnM] Ok, Kat.
18:57:21 [nx2059] word about easy money tends to get out fast
18:57:28 [Kat] I know he's running ads on worldnetdaily and various other places
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18:58:44 [JohnM] I'm thinking about putting an ad in the Phoenix New Times, which is an "alternative news weekly". Many cities have something similar.
18:59:06 [JohnM] http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/
18:59:17 [JohnM] I will look into the cost.
18:59:18 [Kat] that would be great. It's not expensive?
18:59:23 [Kat] ok
18:59:28 [Seth] JohnM: I was looking at classified ads running nationwide... someone needs to fund it, but it's doable.
18:59:38 [Kat] if you need help preparing the ad, talk to Bob Hull
19:00:22 [JohnM] It has ads on the back page, that must not be too expensive (considering the things that are advertised there).
19:00:39 [Kat] What aspects of Phoenix politics might make the residents receptive to the FSP mesasge?
19:00:43 [JonM] how much does a billboard cost?
19:00:49 [JohnM] I will definitely need help creating an ad. I'll start a thread in the forum once I find out the cost.
19:01:09 [Kat] Don't know about the billboard, but that's a great idea
19:01:30 [JohnM] Re: Phx politics...a number of things actually.
19:01:40 [nx2059] how about people in Nevada? That's sort of an "anything goes" culture.
19:01:41 [PatK] well we will have to try to make sure the the FSP add is not under the one for giant dildos
19:01:57 [JonM] why not?
19:02:00 [Seth] I think I found a source for the Badnarik contributors list.
19:02:03 [JohnM] But the voters did well on all the ballot propositions this time, though. So not like I thought it would be.
19:02:07 [Kat] You might focus on one hot Phx issue. Make it like a shadow ad
19:02:13 [Kat] Great Seth
19:02:43 [Seth] PatK: why not... we aren't against Giant Dildos, so long as they aren't govt sponsored.
19:03:03 [Kat] Well the gov't is full of big dicks
19:03:11 [JohnM] Yeah, Kat. No specific issues right now that would make for a good shadow ad.
19:03:28 [nx2059] Seth-- agreed, we should show our true colors and be pround of them.
19:03:32 [Kat] Any kind of ad would be great, though
19:03:34 [JohnM] LOL @ Kat.
19:03:34 [JonM] we just need to get a FSP member on Jeopardy who will break Ken Jennings' record
19:03:41 [svillee] Politically I agree Phoenix is a good target. The problem is they'll be especially reluctant to move to a cold climate.
19:03:56 [JonM] every day talking about the FSP + over $2 million dollars!
19:04:03 [Kat] Russell just moved from NV. I moved from TX
19:04:06 [JohnM] That's putting it mildly, svillee.
19:04:11 [gitelsarah] How about an ad that says something like "Do you want the governemtn knowing that you have a Giant Dildo? Shouldn't what you do in your own home be your business?"
19:04:14 [philwelch] LOL
19:04:15 [JonM] does anyone in the FSP know everything?
19:04:31 [Kat] lol sarah
19:04:44 [Kat] know everything about what?
19:05:07 [JonM] well, the only subjects Ken has had trouble with is Sports I think
19:05:22 [JohnM] You know what, Sarah. Something like that just might work.
19:05:26 [philwelch] yeah
19:05:36 [philwelch] and they put at least one bible category up there per day for him to clean up on
19:06:13 [JonM] who doesn't know who Ken Jennings is nowadays?
19:06:20 [gitelsarah] You know, when celebrities play on these shows, they play for charity. Couldn't we find a celebrity who would play for the FSP?
19:06:25 [PatK] nothing wrong with giant didldos I just don't want us mistaken as a group of giant dildos
19:06:39 [nx2059] LOL
19:06:52 [gitelsarah] We would not only get some money, we would also get some publicity.
19:07:04 [JonM] except the FSP isn't a charity
19:07:31 [nx2059] the porn industry would really like us.
19:07:34 [gitelsarah] then we need to form some organization that is, to funnel the money through.
19:08:25 [Kat] We could become more like NV, only smaller
19:08:39 [Kat] the FSP is a non profit, at least
19:08:39 [PatK] good rock band name though=giant dildos for freedom
19:08:47 [Kat] lol Pat
19:08:54 [nx2059] but with legal drugs and guns
19:09:11 [Kat] How did the dildos come up anyway (so to speak)?
19:09:13 [philwelch] well, that's if we want to put someone on celebrity jeopardy, and if we put someone halfway smart on there he'll clean up, because the celebrities on celebrity jeopardy are usually dumb
19:09:32 [Seth] In Oregon, there is a Libertarian who is in the Porn biz... she wasn't willing to move to NH, due to the Industry being in CA.
19:10:01 [Kat] not much filmmaking in NH?
19:10:05 [JonM] seen this? http://www.weebl.jolt.co.uk/band.htm
19:10:23 [JonM] maybe someone can convince him to do a FSP weebl and bob
19:10:32 [nx2059] I guess it boils down to the Drug, Porn, Gun & anti-tax people that we have something to really offer.
19:10:42 [JohnM] Here's an idea, some Porc should enter the World Series of Poker and when they get to the final table, make sure he (or she) is wearing an FSP T-shirt.
19:11:06 [Kat] lots of other groups would be interested. I found out about the FSP through a homeschool group
19:11:40 [Kat] I know someone who almost made it into the world series of poker
19:11:42 [PatK] 10 grand entry fee for poker I think
19:11:45 [nx2059] Kat- ok them too but they already have some of that with the government we've got
19:11:50 [Kat] He might be willing to do the FSP shirt thing
19:11:52 [JonM] I failed in my attempt to make it to the Foxwoods World Poker Tour event this saturday
19:12:03 [philwelch] are poker fans liberty-leaning? i guess they are, since they're pro-legalized-gambling
19:12:05 [philwelch] maybe
19:12:11 [JonM] 135th place...in a sattelite tourney
19:12:40 [JonM] I've had the FSP logo as my pokerstars picture for months and as of yet, no one has asked about it
19:12:42 [JohnM] Hey, that's great JonM.
19:13:09 [Kat] That's not the point, nx, we're just locating people who are interested in Freedom. Homeschoolers are a group who are rejecting govt schools and other regulation on our lives. There are other similar groups out there
19:13:27 [Kat] we don't have to reach out to extreme groups exclusively
19:13:40 [Kat] cool Jon
19:14:02 [nx2059] Kat - but when we ask them to accept the extreme groups some tend to flip out.
19:14:05 [Kat] that's an interesting group to target, poker fans
19:14:07 [JohnM] Yeah, nx. The FSP is not just about those groups.
19:15:01 [nx2059] no but all our competitors us them against us.
19:15:13 [JohnM] Anyway, back to recruiting.
19:15:20 [JonM] well I was gonna get a FSP shirt if I made it into the WPT event, that's another $10,000 buy in thing
19:15:44 [JohnM] A cheap, easy, and effective way is still to post on internet forums. That's how I found out about the FSP.
19:15:47 [JonM] perhaps I'll win my way into one at some point
19:15:49 [Kat] wearing FSP shirts are a good way to get people talking about the FSP
19:16:01 [JonM] use the FSP in your forum signature
19:16:12 [Kat] ya, emails sigs are good
19:18:11 [JohnM] OK, everyone, I need to leave. Bye.
19:18:11 [Kat] I'm at the end of my wakefulness. If anyone has more questions or ideas, feel free to send me an email.
19:18:22 [Kat] Night everyone
19:18:34 svillee exits from this room
19:18:37 [nx2059] NIght
19:18:38 [JohnM] Bye, Kat. Thanks again.
19:18:50 nx2059 exits from this room
19:18:55 [JohnM] Bye, everyone.