Recuriting Techniques - Chat
Recuriting Techniques - Chat
Thursday evening 10/14 at 9pm ET, please join us for a workshop on recruiting techniques individuals can use. I will be bringing a list of ideas and information on what techniques have proven successful. This will be an interactive session. Please bring your recruiting ideas, experiences and questions. Hope to see you there! - Kat Dillon, FSP Volunteer Support
Free State Chat
9:00 EDT Thursday, October 14th 2004
Here are some resources for the Individual Recruiting Techniques chat:
- Volunteer Center
- A few ideas
- penguinscareme's Wicked Manifesto
- perl script margomaps put together to categorize sign-ups)
- Downloads (Resources for recruiters)
Here's a transcript of the chat that took place:
21:01:55 [katdillon] I have 9:00. Are you all ready to get started?
21:02:06 [russellk] we are in awe of you tim
21:02:13 [condon] Aha! You need to talk to Bob Hull. He's been designated the advertising guy, but it was thought that
21:02:30 [condon] You two could work well together. Bob's a really great guy; very quiet, and very competent.
21:02:38 [condon] Very committed too.
21:02:40 [russellk] maybe you are jammin the rest of us tim
21:02:49 [condon] What, Russell? What is this that I hear from you?
21:02:55 [PhilD] I'll get in touch with him, thanks.
21:03:08 [timba2112] Great....I was wondering who the advertising guy is. I've got a local member with check book in hand waiting to place some ads.
21:03:14 [condon] You know how to get in touch with Bob?
21:03:25 [timba2112] No
21:03:36 [katdillon] cool, TimB
21:03:42 [condon] Bob dropped several thousand dollars recently on an experiment with Google.
21:04:01 [PhilD] Let me have his email or phone if you have it. - yo have my email?
21:04:24 [condon] Yeah. I'll send all his contact info. I thought you'd make a good deputy in the leadership circle to work with him.
21:04:52 [timba2112] TimC....same here...Hull's contact info....
21:05:02 [condon] Now. Let's talk about Kathryn.
21:05:14 [condon] Who *are* you, timba2112?
21:05:18 [condon] Have we met?
21:05:20 [katdillon] Thanks for coming, everyone!
21:05:33 [katdillon] tim bauman...porc fest
21:05:55 [condon] Oh! Hey Tim! How's it going man?
21:06:09 [russellk] too many tims
21:06:15 [katdillon] First off, let me know if you have specific questions or issues you want to discuss
21:06:27 [timba2112] Good TimC
21:06:37 [katdillon] (a tale of two tims)
21:06:50 [russellk] why is there only one chick and a bunch of guys?
21:07:01 [condon] Well..l.yes...I'm interested in the ultimate meaning of life....
21:07:07 [katdillon] I'm not complaining!
21:07:11 [danhynes] guys like liberty more
21:07:13 [condon] Because she's a very *special* chick.
21:07:17 [timba2112] Because we're not recruiting enough women!
21:07:20 [katdillon] I mean to do with recruiting, timc
21:07:34 [katdillon] OK, one topic, how to recruit more women
21:07:44 [katdillon] awww
21:07:47 [timba2112] YES!!
21:07:48 [condon] Well...it's pretty obvious we're not paying enough attention to it...including me.
21:08:17 [katdillon] You're local group leader in FL, timc?
21:08:23 [danhynes] what about advertising in places where women typically pay more attention to
21:08:32 [condon] You know...I'm not quite sure...I *think* I am....
21:09:08 [katdillon] OK. How about freedom issues that are of interest to women?
21:09:37 [timba2112] Tough one Kat....the topic of gun rights as a women's protection issue came up in a prior chat.
21:09:41 [danhynes] what would you think is a good one besides abortion which is rather split
21:09:44 [condon] Forget about freedom issues...there's something about the Free State that should bring them stampeding in our directon.
21:09:57 [timba2112] US!
21:10:02 [katdillon] schools, homeschool, forced psychological exams of all schoolchildren
21:10:05 [katdillon] those come to mind
21:10:22 [timba2112] i.d. children's issues
21:10:23 [russellk] the women in our SoCal group care about homeschooling
21:10:29 [katdillon] forced immunizations
21:10:31 [condon] Yep, Tim, you got it. Not "us" as in you and me...but "us" as in the guys who make up the predominant numbers in the FSP.
21:10:33 [danhynes] maybe you coulkd also look to something about NH that is particulary attractive to female, im not sure what that would be though
21:10:34 [timba2112] oops, I mean i.e.
21:10:39 [katdillon] yes on id, too
21:10:43 [russellk] draft issues
21:10:55 [katdillon] good idea, dan
21:11:08 [condon] Look everyone: The libertarian movement is primarly male, right?
21:11:12 [katdillon] it isn't that hard...Keene was voted the best place in the US to raise a family
21:11:21 [condon] And probably by 75% or more. True?
21:11:25 [katdillon] the scenery is beautiful!!
21:11:34 [timba2112] children, anti-draft, what else?
21:11:36 [russellk] cute little new england houses
21:11:39 [danhynes] theres a good reason and selling point
21:11:47 [katdillon] yes!
21:11:51 [danhynes] i would think men are more anti-draft cuz it doesnt directly affect women
21:12:17 [russellk] woman's sons maybe?
21:12:21 [katdillon] I think the idea of going out and recruiting women would be appealing to a lot of porcs..get them more active
21:12:30 [condon] And libertarian guys are extraordinarily...steadfast. They *believe* in a set of ethical principles. Things that females would be attracted to. Right?
21:12:41 [katdillon] women hate the draft! they don't want to lose their children
21:12:44 [timba2112] You got it RusselK
21:12:52 [russellk] choice over all issues with their children
21:12:56 [danhynes] i guess everyone hates the draft
21:13:05 [condon] Sheesh. What a great place, the Free State, for women to hunt for ethical, steadfast, honest, hard-working, intelligent males. Porcupines!
21:13:09 [katdillon] I think women should be attracted to the idea of pro gun men who can protect them
21:13:27 [condon] Yep. That too.
21:13:46 [katdillon] not that women can't shoot
21:13:48 [russellk] I think Lorrey was talking about a State Guard
21:13:48 [condon] Okay. Let's do a little experiment, right here and now....
21:13:57 [russellk] ok
21:14:02 [timba2112] ok
21:14:11 [katdillon] Yes
21:14:12 [condon] Kathryn, you're a single female, right? A single mother, correct?
21:14:14 [danhynes] what about stepping back a bit from pro guns, like pepper spray and stun guns, i dont know if NH allows them, but i know a lot of states do not, things women use more than men
21:14:39 [condon] Are you open to bonding with a libertarian male who has pledged his troth to individual freedom and liberty in the Free State?
21:14:54 [katdillon] Me?
21:15:09 [condon] If you're name is Kathryn...yes.
21:15:28 [katdillon] Well yes, I had decided I had to "bond" with a freestater
21:15:30 jeanius enters this room
21:15:33 [katdillon] :P
21:15:43 [katdillon] Hi jean! yay, another woman!
21:15:58 [timba2112] lol
21:16:03 [condon] Okay...all you need to do is tell us...who do you feel is the *most* attractive---because they're the *most* committed to liberty in our lifetime....
21:16:19 [katdillon] lol
21:16:23 [jeanius] testosterone overload? I may get dumped. Still using one off Safari
21:16:28 [condon] Me? Phil Denisch? Russell Kanning? Steve Villee? Tim Bauman? Or Dan Hynes. You have 30 seconds to choose.
21:16:46 [katdillon] No fair!
21:16:56 [timba2112] Oh, TimC, you're brutal
21:16:58 [danhynes] take everyone
21:17:01 [condon] Sorry! Sociobiology is not fair!
21:17:09 [jeanius] Is this for who will be poster boy?
21:17:19 [condon] Not brutal! She gets to choose amongst a bunch of wonderful guys!
21:17:29 [timba2112] Sounds like it.
21:17:34 [russellk] is this the new Free Town idea?
21:17:39 [condon] No, it's a test, to see who Kathryn finds the most...compelling male.
21:17:43 [katdillon] No way, you're all too wonderful
21:18:17 [timba2112] For that, TimC, you need to have her compare "us" against the non-liberty lovers and find what elements we should focus on.
21:18:18 [condon] (cluck...cluck...cluck...she's chicken....)
21:18:21 [russellk] maybe jeanius has something to ask or add to change the subject
21:18:21 [katdillon] OK, how about a new topic? What other kinds of recruiting can individuals do w/o a group
21:18:22 [danhynes] if i wanted to make a free town project, would that be in direct conflict with FSP
21:18:47 [condon] Not at all Dan. Of course, I was involved in the first one...and screwed it all up....
21:18:53 [katdillon] I don't think so, just don't go in trying to take over the town
21:18:57 [timba2112] Good one Kat.....I'm having trouble getting other involved and need to do more one-on-one
21:19:13 [danhynes] i actually had an idea i wanted to create a new town
21:19:20 [danhynes] ive been doing research on how to do that
21:19:33 [danhynes] condon, id like to talk to you at some point about how you failed
21:19:46 [katdillon] Dan, all the land in NH is incorporated into towns
21:19:47 [timba2112] DanH....is that recruiting related?
21:19:50 [condon] Boy...that's a story....
21:20:01 [russellk] don't worry he will try again
21:20:03 [condon] Contact me off list.
21:20:27 [timba2112] Ok, back to you Kat.
21:20:31 [danhynes] only a little, so ill defer to keep with tonights topic
21:20:41 [katdillon] How about we look at what's been most successful lately with recruiting
21:20:43 [russellk] hey kat did you have something you wanted to say?
21:20:59 [timba2112] Go for it Kat
21:21:03 PatK enters this room
21:21:04 [katdillon] One member placed an ad in This is True...an online newsletter
21:21:10 [katdillon] hi Pat
21:21:23 [PatK] Hi Kat and all
21:21:27 [russellk] what is the link to that page of info again?
21:21:46 [katdillon] the stats on sign up?
21:22:10 [russellk] http://www.margomaps.com/fsp/recruitment/ yeah
21:22:35 [katdillon] thanks Russell
21:22:40 [russellk] here is one of them
21:23:04 [russellk] the this is true ad was great so far
21:23:13 [katdillon] But that requires you have money to place an ad
21:23:21 [condon] Oops.
21:23:38 [katdillon] Interesting that the newsletter wasn't explicitly liberty oriented
21:23:44 [danhynes] how about some fundraisers to gain support and money at the same time
21:23:58 [katdillon] That would be great
21:24:02 [condon] No, but it's kind of...oddball...off-center...our kind of people.
21:24:06 [katdillon] what would you do as a fundraiser?
21:24:14 [timba2112] I'm finding we have more people locally willing to give $ than time.
21:24:14 [danhynes] i was thinking about how a college libertarian party had an anti-affirmative action bakesale and charged different prices upon the persons race
21:24:17 [katdillon] true, timc
21:24:19 [russellk] i get the newsletter
21:24:20 [condon] <-------------Anti-fundraisers.
21:24:26 [danhynes] hrm.. id have to think abotu that
21:25:06 [katdillon] Really TimB? That's good to know. What are you then able to do with the funds you raise?
21:25:12 [russellk] timba they could just give the money to the FSP
21:25:23 [katdillon] oh yes, I read about that Dan
21:25:45 [katdillon] I think it'd be better to use it directly on local recruiting
21:25:45 [timba2112] KatD .....that's the problem... (problem?).....
21:25:48 [danhynes] i was thinking more about using a specific topic just to draw the people to the table, then give them the FSP info
21:25:57 [katdillon] OK
21:26:32 [katdillon] you could do your own shadow ad...find some hot topic where gov't has gone overboard
21:26:47 [katdillon] and place a local ad about it, telling how the FSP is the solution
21:26:50 [russellk] anything in mind dan?
21:26:55 [danhynes] that shouldnt be hard to find
21:27:11 [condon] Shadow ads are wicked effective. But no one seems to be doing them on a regular basis.
21:27:54 [katdillon] Would you need help making the actual ads, TimB?
21:27:55 [condon] Maybe Bob Hull, as the new advertising czar, could put something together.
21:28:17 [katdillon] Yes, I'm sure he would help
21:28:31 [katdillon] The 'This is True' ad was just plain old text
21:28:44 [katdillon] doesn't have to be fancy to be effective
21:28:50 [timba2112] I'll suggest the Shadow ad to the contibutor(s)....Yes we'd love help and yes I want to talk to Bob Hull
21:28:55 [condon] Yeah, but it was effective. We had a mini-surge in membership.
21:29:04 [katdillon] Great!
21:29:31 [timba2112] the "this is true" link doesn't take me anywhere
21:29:34 [katdillon] So other things you could do with the funds you raise?
21:29:36 [russellk] and if Bob is too busy don't let that stop you
21:29:43 [russellk] someone else can help
21:29:50 [katdillon] Seemed like one link was broken
21:29:53 [condon] Bob won't be too busy. He's totally dedicated to the success of the FSP.
21:30:03 [katdillon] Bob's real responsive
21:30:28 [condon] Hmmmm.
21:30:38 [timba2112] TimC....is the typing fast enough for you now?
21:30:39 [katdillon] You can hand out flyers at various events...the printing costs
21:30:46 [katdillon] haha TimB
21:31:07 [timba2112] Will Albenizi's been real effective with local events and flyer hand outs.
21:31:10 [condon] It's certainly picking up, Tim. Where are you living now? Last I heard your car was broken down in *Kansas* or somewhere!
21:31:25 [timba2112] That approach seems to be the most used by many local groups.....I have to get my butt in gear.
21:31:57 [katdillon] It's nice to have a lot of people for events like that, but it really only takes a few, or even one
21:32:00 [timba2112] TimC...you've got the wrong Tim.....I'm in Chicago area
21:32:08 [russellk] it seems the more people see us in various media it makes them think
21:32:16 [katdillon] too many tims
21:32:31 [danhynes] does getting a group to volunteer to do something ever get the attention of local tv media, if so that can be a good plug for FSP
21:32:32 [condon] Yeah but were't you on the road at some point last year? And your car broke down? Or was that some other Tim?
21:33:11 [timba2112] TimC.....that was another....you and I chatted quite a bit at the Speaker's Training session at Porc FEst
21:33:12 [russellk] not with our group danh
21:33:28 [timba2112] But back to recruiting....
21:33:45 [russellk] we are being to nice to be arrested like timc
21:33:50 [condon] I can't keep everyone straight. Early Alzheimer's, you know....
21:33:52 [katdillon] How about publicity stunts?
21:34:02 [katdillon] something to grab the media's attention?
21:34:05 [russellk] but Will in San Diego was hoping
21:34:09 [condon] Such as?
21:34:13 [katdillon] (not that early!)
21:34:14 [danhynes] yes kat, thats what i was thinking
21:34:29 [russellk] I do like stunts
21:34:43 [katdillon] I don't have any bright ideas. How about you all?
21:35:05 [russellk] wouldn't it be great to have some crazy stunts with each "move"
21:35:14 [condon] Amanda Phillips is great on that kind of stuff. Like the Killington "air lift."
21:35:19 [danhynes] well its important to pick something that gets peoples attention and at the same time doesnt make FSP lose credibility
21:35:27 [condon] Like what, Russell?
21:35:30 [russellk] like making a fuss before you leave
21:35:40 [timba2112] It seems that the flyers at libert-oriented events, attention grabbing shadow ads and endorsements/articles get the most results
21:35:49 [russellk] like you are settingout on the oregon trail or something
21:35:51 [katdillon] Evan Nappen was talking about making a collection of steel chains, getting in the guiness book of world records, breaking some chains
21:35:53 [condon] Like telling everyone to kiss your ass, you're not putting up with it anymore?
21:36:08 [danhynes] put a sign with your house for sale saying why your moving
21:36:19 [katdillon] hah, TimC
21:36:26 [condon] That's not bad, Dan!
21:36:30 [katdillon] that's good, Dan!
21:36:32 [timba2112] Badnarik got arrested and there was not a peep in the Natl news, despite his being on the ballot in more states than Nader.
21:36:38 [russellk] some people have gotten newspaper articles from their hometowns already
21:36:49 [russellk] really timb?
21:36:52 [svillee] wasn't somebody going to hike the Appalachian Trail up to NH?
21:36:53 [russellk] wow
21:37:05 [katdillon] When I left, we sent out a press release about the first mover from the Dallas area. It didn't get any press though
21:37:06 [condon] Heck, *I* got more publicity with my arrest at the NRA convention in Orlando than Badnarik did. More's the pity.
21:37:11 [katdillon] yes steve
21:37:14 [russellk] i need to find out who that was doing the hiking
21:37:15 [katdillon] next year I think
21:37:22 [danhynes] yeah i knew badnarik was arrested but i think i only found out cuz i was at his webpage
21:37:29 [condon] That was Moose Boy. Forget his name. Good kid.
21:37:31 [katdillon] Let's get TimC arrested again!
21:37:40 [timba2112] Russel K.....so Badnarik's campaign newsletters said past few days....you're right TimC.....
21:37:43 [russellk] he was going to start hiking next fall I think
21:37:48 [katdillon] No not moose boy, someone else
21:38:06 [russellk] a real hiker with planning
21:38:18 [condon] Yeah, it was Moose Boy who was doing the hiking. Then he got his aunt's car and drove up...and hit a Moose.
21:38:19 [russellk] but Randall moose boy got some real attention
21:38:27 [russellk] without any planning
21:38:30 [timba2112] Is there anyway to capitalize on the post-election depression?
21:38:38 [katdillon] Yes, he got a lot of press
21:38:47 [russellk] there is another real hiker who is going to do it
21:38:48 [condon] Yeah, he did, Russell. Little planning at all. But so what, you know?
21:38:49 [katdillon] That's a good idea, timb
21:39:07 [timba2112] Some type of ad that say's...."another election shot to hell......don't you think it's time for something different?
21:39:14 [katdillon] Everyone will be depressed about the election results, even if their candidate wins
21:39:20 [russellk] it just shows you how effective it was even with no planning
21:39:31 [timba2112] Exactly Kat
21:39:38 [condon] I think any ad of that sort should emphasize how beautiful and wonderful NH is.
21:39:49 [katdillon] So how can we grab the depressed voters?
21:39:55 [timba2112] But seriously.....the equivalent of a Shadow Ad for the election
21:40:18 [PatK] hey listen Isupport the FSP but Iam not going to plan to hit a Moose
21:40:31 [katdillon] Elections over...we still have high taxes and war
21:40:42 [timba2112] lol Patk
21:40:43 [danhynes] maybe with the election show how their vote was less important cuz of the electoral college and somehow relate it to NH and the people being more involved in desicion making
21:40:56 [danhynes] such as the representatives being more responsive to the needs of the people
21:40:57 [russellk] we could plan one big shadow ad and raise money specifically on the website for it
21:40:58 [timba2112] Keep going Kat.....you got it
21:41:00 [katdillon] Come on Pat...aren't you willing to do a little thing like that for freedom??
21:41:18 [katdillon] too intellectual, Dan?
21:41:41 [katdillon] In 4 years, we'll still have high taxes and war
21:41:48 [russellk] simpler would be better
21:41:50 [danhynes] haha yes i forget its important to convince the avg american, not the smart libertarians
21:41:50 [katdillon] Isn't it time to try something different?
21:42:21 [condon] Kat, that sounds more like an LP ad. We want to tell people why they should join the FSP and move to New Hampshire.
21:42:34 [timba2112] I'm copying and pasting the last few lines....unless this is being archived.
21:42:37 [katdillon] something that communicates the hopelessness of national politics and how working on a small scale will be different
21:42:49 [russellk] yea very NH oriented
21:42:50 [katdillon] it'll be archived
21:42:55 [timba2112] Kat.....go! go!
21:43:01 [danhynes] i like the fact that NH legislatures make $100 a year, and other states they make 50k
21:43:16 [PatK] How about now that you have heard about red state blue state, Let us tell you about the FREE STATE.
21:43:25 [timba2112] DanH.....that works into the "something different" theme
21:43:39 [russellk] ooo i like it patk
21:43:41 [condon] Yes. As Jason pointed out, it prevents the creation of a "professional political class."
21:43:45 [timba2112] Patk brainstorms!
21:43:47 [katdillon] Kerry/Bush won the election. The American people lost
21:44:31 [katdillon] But the American people can win in NH
21:45:26 [timba2112] So, we've got the last dozen(s) of lines here for a shadow ad that would actually apply in many local areas and could be supported by funding from local groups
21:45:26 [katdillon] So you say it's easy for you to raise funds for these ads?
21:45:46 [danhynes] would it be possible to run like a 15 second national tv ad on a station like foxnews right after the elections are over, when all the advertising spots are freed up
21:46:00 [timba2112] KatD.....I could get a couple grand$ quiuckly
21:46:13 [katdillon] wow
21:46:17 [danhynes] does anyone have an approximate idea of how much that would cost
21:46:26 [katdillon] How do you do it:?
21:46:30 [russellk] no idea
21:46:51 [timba2112] DanH...unfortunately 10's of thousands probably
21:46:59 [katdillon] Newspaper ads are run about $1000, TV ads about $20,000 I think
21:47:14 [katdillon] that's what the cheapest CNN ad was
21:47:30 Posterity enters this room
21:47:43 [timba2112] So we'd likely have to stick with a print shadow ad format in economy-priced newpapers/mags
21:47:48 [danhynes] ah ok, i was hoping that right after an election when all the election ads are over the price would have went down
21:47:51 [katdillon] TimB you're just asking people for money? or doing something special to raise funds?
21:47:55 [russellk] still sounds good
21:47:56 [katdillon] Hi Posterity
21:48:11 [Posterity] Hi Kat. sorry I'm late.
21:48:21 [katdillon] unless you can get free air time...interviewed by the news
21:48:25 [timba2112] KatD....the few of us on our local conference calls are offering more cash than time
21:48:37 [katdillon] no problem, glad you could make it
21:49:11 [timba2112] Chicogo/Milwaukee fyi
21:49:50 [katdillon] other types of recruiting you all want to discuss?
21:50:15 [Posterity] Has anyone had an LTE that mentioned the FSP actually be printed?
21:50:30 [katdillon] Yes, I have
21:50:43 [timba2112] Where?
21:50:47 [PatK] gee did the feds get condon?
21:50:57 [katdillon] Texas
21:51:16 [timba2112] Any response?
21:51:29 [danhynes] what does LTE stand for
21:51:32 [katdillon] I did it like a mini shadow ad, talking about a local issue
21:51:38 [Posterity] Is that LTE on the FSP website? I'd like to see an example.
21:51:45 [timba2112] Letter to editor?
21:51:53 [Posterity] LTE = Letter to editor
21:51:54 [danhynes] oh ok
21:52:02 [katdillon] I'm not sure. A few people said they heard about the FSP from the Dallas Morning News, but there was also a news article about us in there
21:52:22 [katdillon] Yes, in the articles, I think, or in the media
21:52:26 [russellk] there are lots of lte on the website
21:52:32 [timba2112] The "shadow" concept....regardless of the venue.....seems to be very effective
21:52:37 [katdillon] it was about the smoking ban in dallas
21:53:04 [timba2112] There's so much shadow fodder here in IL.....its amazing
21:53:09 [danhynes] do any FSP members work in the media, have them give us free plugs
21:53:11 [Posterity] ok. That's was I thinking about doing (i.e. relating it to a local story)
21:53:13 [russellk] http://www.freestateproject.org/news/media_archive/
21:53:35 [katdillon] Dada Orwell does, but he is actually more constrained since he does work in the media
21:53:42 [katdillon] thank you russell
21:53:50 [katdillon] Great, posterity
21:54:10 [katdillon] there's also a page on how to get your LTE published...what things you should do
21:54:11 [russellk] Dada had great LTE's
21:54:31 [timba2112] The chat on media relations did stress the "making friends" with a media person who could get out your info
21:54:40 [katdillon] Yeah. all NH based though...no recruiting
21:54:59 [katdillon] Yes, that should help
21:55:21 [katdillon] The chat transcript is up on freestateproject.org/training
21:55:34 [katdillon] for the previous chats
21:55:45 [Posterity] Yeah, I'd think general liberty-oriented LTE's would be more apt to be printed rather than ones that are obviously trying to promote an organization like the FSP.
21:56:02 [katdillon] What kind of local stories would make good shadow ads/LTEs?
21:56:34 [katdillon] Yes, posterity. I had one published, but they removed all references to the FSP. Frustrating
21:56:58 [danhynes] i have another idea, i believe i learned about the FSP from a website, i think the LPNH, is it possible to enter into some reciprocal relationships where a link is placed on the FSP website in exchange for a link on a supporters website
21:57:02 [timba2112] Kat re:stories.....seat belt laws, unfunded state mandates
21:57:03 [Posterity] That's what I'm concerned about.
21:57:32 [katdillon] But they do publish those where the FSP is really a solution to the problem
21:57:39 [katdillon] good ones, tim
21:57:39 [timba2112] DanH...I'm of the impression the HQ folks have done a lot of that for the past couple years
21:57:52 [russellk] I would say so too
21:57:53 [katdillon] Dan, that is good.
21:58:08 [Posterity] I'm thinking ahead to Nov. election. Here in AZ we have some ballot propositions that, if they pass, could be a good case for an LTE.
21:58:18 [timba2112] KatD.....i barely caught that....the removing of the FSP stuff.....that sucks
21:58:20 [russellk] local shadow ads should also appeal to your local donors
21:58:23 [katdillon] You can always contact liberty friendly sites and ask them if they want to do a link exchange...we link to them, they link to us
21:58:53 [timba2112] Nice Posterity
21:58:53 [PhilD] The freestateproject Yahoo! group page has a database on the web exchange project
21:58:54 [danhynes] ok kat, i will try an see what i come up with, i was just wondering if that was an option
21:59:04 [danhynes] thanks phil
21:59:11 [katdillon] Yep
21:59:22 [timba2112] Phil...."exchange project" huh?
21:59:32 [katdillon] there's a section on our webpage...I don't recall where
21:59:53 [timba2112] Oh....I got it Phil...nevermind
22:00:55 [katdillon] Other ideas you wanted to discuss?
22:01:56 [Posterity] Shadow ads have been effective, right?
22:01:59 [timba2112] Kat.....how about a quick summary?
22:03:05 [katdillon] I haven't seen a lot of numbers indicating that shadow ads were hugely effective. But it is really hard to tell. Many people don't say where they first heard about the FSP
22:03:54 [katdillon] Sure. We started out discussing ways to recruit more women into the FSP by focusing on "women's issues" like education, draft, health
22:03:56 [russellk] what where the latest reasons people joined again kat?
22:03:59 [Posterity] ok, thanks kat.
22:04:36 [katdillon] The forum thread in Publicity results?
22:04:50 [russellk] yea that sort of thing
22:05:23 [russellk] This is True ad...
22:05:28 [katdillon] We discussed fundraising locally, and how to place ads in the paper
22:05:54 [katdillon] Always people hear about the FSP from friends and family
22:06:34 [katdillon] Contact our new advertising guru, Bob Hull for help placing any ads
22:06:52 [russellk] do you guys think that ads reinforce for people that we are "for real" after hearing about us from friends and family?
22:07:25 [katdillon] And we discussed what sort of shadow ads might be effective
22:07:31 [timba2112] Good question russk....I'm not sure
22:07:41 [Posterity] russellk...yes, I think ads could lend a certain "for real" factor.
22:07:54 [russellk] I think it helps to hit people from many sides
22:08:08 [Posterity] Agreed.
22:08:11 [russellk] anyone can set up a booth and hand out flyers
22:08:32 [russellk] I think it helped in say ... Killington... to use ads
22:08:43 [Posterity] Reason: placing an ad takes money and effort.
22:08:43 [katdillon] Yes, Russell. Brian Sullivan can get you materials for booths, too
22:08:46 [danhynes] what about providing tesimony of people who moved, that can show we are serious about it
22:09:18 [katdillon] Russell's working on getting stories from people who've moved
22:09:19 [Posterity] danhynes, that's a good idea.
22:09:29 [russellk] we are working on that for the website a page of "moving" stories
22:09:30 [katdillon] but maybe you mean a different kind of testimony?
22:09:30 [timba2112] DanH.....in ads?
22:10:20 [russellk] that would be hugely effective ... an ad with a personal story of a move
22:10:26 [katdillon] Jason just wrote a letter to Mass Libertarians that included a testimony from one of our early movers
22:10:32 [danhynes] i was thinking in ads, but im not sure how, best i could come up with is like a commerical of someone stating that they moves and why
22:10:40 [russellk] oh great
22:10:32 [danhynes] i was thinking in ads, but im not sure how, best i could come up with is like a commerical of someone stating that they moves and why
22:10:40 [russellk] oh great
22:10:47 [Posterity] Or even just short quotes. I think that could be effective too.
22:11:18 [danhynes] yes posterity that sounds good
22:11:18 [timba2112] Here's a thought ....the ad contains a very short teaser on someone's story with a link to the FSP site
22:11:19 [katdillon] Ã¢â‚¬Å“Our move to New Hampshire is the best thing that has ever happened to us. By moving here, my wife's income more than doubled, our taxes decreased significantly, and other costs of living were unchanged. This gave me the opportunity to start a business, something I've always wanted to do. Everyo
22:11:36 [katdillon] Everyone who lives here admits it - the business environment in New Hampshire is very strong.Ã¢â‚¬Â
22:11:56 [katdillon] -Mike Fisher in Newmarket, New Hampshire
22:12:04 [Posterity] Nice.
22:12:07 [russellk] that is a great message
22:12:07 [katdillon] That was the testimony
22:12:12 [katdillon] yes
22:13:01 [katdillon] that might work Tim...better to have something right in the ad, though? since they are less likely to look up a link than read the ad
22:13:31 [timba2112] Problem Kat is that ad's have to be short and to the point to have an impact.
22:13:32 [russellk] good idea ... at least some of the testimony in the ad
22:13:45 [katdillon] Yes
22:13:45 [russellk] even just one line
22:14:04 [katdillon] and maybe a link to longer endorsements
22:14:04 [timba2112] Does anyone, for example, really read the 2 page fundraising junk mail letters
22:14:08 [russellk] so have we come up with an idea for timb and his local group
22:14:26 [katdillon] I would, it it's from some liberty related cause
22:14:28 [Posterity] I think both would be most effective. Some short explanation of the FSP's purpose and a personal quote.
22:14:32 [russellk] never timba
22:14:35 [timba2112] Yes Russ....I've got a couple ideas that I'll talk to Hull about.
22:14:42 [katdillon] well, I'd skim it
22:14:46 [danhynes] timba you gave me an idea, what about a mass email campaign
22:14:52 [russellk] great
22:15:00 [timba2112] I've dropped a few emails to the donor while we've been chatting
22:15:03 [danhynes] using specific opt-in places
22:15:13 [katdillon] that's what we're doing in Mass with that letter
22:15:27 [katdillon] it takes money for the printing and postage
22:15:46 [russellk] who did you want to send it to danh?
22:16:08 [katdillon] but if you could get the libertarian voter list from your own area, it might be worth sending out a letter
22:16:39 [timba2112] The post-election letter....based on Jasons?.....might be perfect
22:16:49 [katdillon] oh yes!
22:16:54 [danhynes] hrm, maybe if friendly organizations like the LP or other liberty organizations would either send out an email on our behalf to its members or something
22:17:19 [katdillon] I'll make sure it's OK with Jason and then post it on freestateproject.org/training
22:17:27 [katdillon] the Mass letter, that is
22:17:35 [timba2112] I don't know that asking the LP to wallow in their own lack of election success would work
22:17:44 [timba2112] We'd send it ourselves
22:17:48 [katdillon] you can buy mailing lists from organizations
22:18:06 [danhynes] does anyone know if its freedom of information to get a list of who is signed up to what party
22:18:07 [timba2112] Yep....pay them to ease their pain
22:18:10 [timba2112] lol
22:18:34 [timba2112] testing :-)
22:18:36 [katdillon] I think you can get the voter registration lists somehow
22:18:53 [katdillon] Joey Dauben in Texas did it
22:18:53 [danhynes] hrm, i like that idea, i will look into it
22:18:55 [svillee] Generally, I would not expect the LP outside of NH to be helpful to the FSP.
22:19:10 [katdillon] I can get you his email address if you want to talk to him about it
22:19:12 [russellk] i agree steve
22:19:21 [danhynes] yeah i was wondering if the party just gave it to him though cuz it helps their cause, yes thanks
22:19:25 [katdillon] they are in some areas, not all
22:19:41 [katdillon] I don't think he got the list through the party
22:19:48 [timba2112] Sville....they've been friendly, always looking for speakers...and some positive....but there's always a bit of awkwardness
22:20:59 [russellk] has anyone tried mass emailings for the FSP?
22:21:04 [danhynes] are there other parties besides the LP that is typically friendly toward FSP
22:21:13 [russellk] in general I am not big on it
22:21:30 [timba2112] DanH...that's what Jasons about to find out about....right?
22:21:55 [katdillon] Not mass emailings, but I've targeted pro liberty individuals that I've located on the net, and emailed them
22:22:07 [PhilD] KeithM did a mailing prior to the FSPvote in a limited area - hard to say how much good it did, some though
22:22:16 [Posterity] LP seems to be the only small-government party these days. And I checked out a long list of them earlier this year.
22:22:24 [timba2112] oops....sorry....I keep missing the "e"
22:22:27 [danhynes] i wonder if mass emails would be good if it was a targeted opt-in audience, so that the FSP doesnt lose credibility
22:22:28 [katdillon] Republican Liberty Alliance
22:22:42 [katdillon] wake TimC up, he can tell you about it
22:22:54 [danhynes] if so i think that could be good as the cost of the email list is usually cheap, and i wouldnt mind sending all the emails if someone wanted
22:22:56 [russellk] they could be helpful the RLA
22:23:15 [katdillon] The constitution party is small gov't
22:23:20 [katdillon] for the most part
22:23:37 [Posterity] Yeah, "for the most part" LOL
22:23:37 [danhynes] yes i was just gonna ask about them
22:23:41 [katdillon] wait, it's republican liberty caucus
22:23:59 [danhynes] also i would say people registered as conservatives would be good, rather than registered republican
22:24:03 [russellk] NHLA RLC
22:24:31 [russellk] have any of the big emailings been effective?
22:24:49 [katdillon] I don't know if there have been any big emailings
22:25:16 [Posterity] Yeah, the RLC is small-government. If it's possible to get a list of their members, that would be good.
22:25:16 [katdillon] Phil, you know of one?
22:25:18 [russellk] the big pre Free State mailing to MA/CT Libertairians was great
22:25:24 [russellk] but that was snail mail
22:25:30 [katdillon] Ron Paul is RLC
22:25:41 [Posterity] Yep
22:25:43 [danhynes] russell i like the idea if youd some help with a mass emailing id be happy to help
22:26:06 [PhilD] I can't think of a mass emailing ~
22:26:09 [Posterity] But RLC membership is not public info, like registered Republicans would be.
22:26:09 [katdillon] how would you get the email address list?
22:26:47 [danhynes] youd have to buy it from opt in subscribers, but i believe it is rather cheap
22:26:55 [danhynes] like maybe $100 for thousands of names
22:27:00 [PhilD] For non-targeted list one could be purchased
22:27:05 [timba2112] DanH and Russk.....are you on the loc. group leaders list or can you post any finding/progress on email efforts someplace?
22:27:19 [katdillon] that would be great! not too expensive either
22:27:19 [russellk] danh I am not sure I am ready to do a big emailing
22:27:33 [timba2112] Sorry folks.....you've lost me on the term "opt in"
22:27:42 [danhynes] i can do it if i have permission of the group
22:27:47 [katdillon] You can always ask on the forum for people to donate to specific causes like that
22:27:51 [katdillon] me too
22:28:06 [danhynes] "opt in" is when you sign up to something, like yahoo mail or something and you say you will allow the company to send you emails
22:28:08 [russellk] that sounds better danh
22:28:20 [katdillon] opt in so it isn't entirely spam?
22:28:21 [danhynes] that way it is not spam mail, and the people generally dont hate it as much
22:28:48 [danhynes] yes, opt in is when the people agree to recieve it basically
22:28:51 [russellk] hopefully they won't hate it at all
22:29:13 [timba2112] So you're thinking of buying/finding several appropriate opt-in lists
22:29:28 [danhynes] i meant with the idea of getting unsolicited mail, if you know you asked for the mail you will at least read it
22:29:34 [russellk] we could even hit groups that have already heard about us, but we could give them stories of people who have actually moved
22:29:51 [danhynes] timba, yes i can do that, i can program and have no problem sending all the emails after someone writes what should be in it
22:30:05 [russellk] more of the we are "for real" angle
22:30:36 [danhynes] i will start a topic on the fsp forums a little later tonight about this idea and see where it leads
22:30:39 [katdillon] Dan, I'd be happy to help write it
22:30:45 [katdillon] good idea
22:30:50 [russellk] I could help you do that danh
22:30:50 [timba2112] Thanks Dan
22:31:13 [russellk] nevermind i'll let kat do it she is better at it than me anyways
22:31:30 [katdillon] No no, Russell would be great
22:31:42 [danhynes] 2 minds are better than 1
22:32:07 [katdillon] OK, we'll work together
22:32:14 [russellk] no no you should do it kat I insist
22:32:47 [timba2112] I've got to sign-off folks. Thanks for a heck of an invigorating session!
22:33:02 [katdillon] Well guys, this is about the limit of my ability to stay awake.
22:33:13 [russellk] by timb
22:33:16 [katdillon] Feel free to carry on after I go!
22:33:23 [katdillon] Night tim, glad you came!
22:33:24 [russellk] timc is asleep on the keyboard
22:33:28 [Posterity] ok, thanks for putting this together, Kat.
22:33:41 [timba2112] Yes....thanks Kat
22:33:51 [danhynes] yes time for me to head home and start working on all these ideas, thanks for the good ideas
22:33:57 [russellk] so when can we start talking behind kat's back
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22:33:59 [katdillon] Could someone do a /save and send me the transcript, just to make sure I get it all?
22:34:10 [katdillon] :P
22:34:24 [russellk] how do we do that?
22:34:30 [danhynes] i can, but i might be missing a little of the conv
22:34:40 [danhynes] i just select it all and cut and paste
22:34:57 [katdillon] email@example.com is my email addy
22:35:02 [PhilD] So long -thanks Kat.
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22:35:10 [Posterity] I can't do it because I came in late.
22:35:21 [katdillon] night, and thank you all!
22:35:29 [Posterity] Signing off....thanks, everyone.
22:35:31 [russellk] I have the whole transcript so I will cut and paste it
22:35:39 [katdillon] thanks
22:35:46 [russellk] bye kat
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22:37:04 [russellk] hi john galt
22:37:15 [russellk] you just missed most of the fun
22:37:56 [russellk] so danh are you out of here?
22:40:11 [russellk] So danhynes are you going to lay out your plan on the forum board?
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22:45:17 [russellk] I will turn off the lights Thank you Kat for a great chat