Recuriting Techniques - Chat

Recuriting Techniques - Chat


Thursday evening 10/14 at 9pm ET, please join us for a workshop on recruiting techniques individuals can use. I will be bringing a list of ideas and information on what techniques have proven successful. This will be an interactive session. Please bring your recruiting ideas, experiences and questions. Hope to see you there! - Kat Dillon, FSP Volunteer Support

Free State Chat
9:00 EDT Thursday, October 14th 2004
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21:01:55 [katdillon] I have 9:00. Are you all ready to get started?

21:02:06 [russellk] we are in awe of you tim

21:02:13 [condon] Aha! You need to talk to Bob Hull. He's been designated the advertising guy, but it was thought that

21:02:30 [condon] You two could work well together. Bob's a really great guy; very quiet, and very competent.

21:02:38 [condon] Very committed too.

21:02:40 [russellk] maybe you are jammin the rest of us tim

21:02:49 [condon] What, Russell? What is this that I hear from you?

21:02:55 [PhilD] I'll get in touch with him, thanks.

21:03:00 [russellk]

21:03:08 [timba2112] Great....I was wondering who the advertising guy is. I've got a local member with check book in hand waiting to place some ads.

21:03:14 [condon] You know how to get in touch with Bob?

21:03:25 [timba2112] No

21:03:36 [katdillon] cool, TimB

21:03:42 [condon] Bob dropped several thousand dollars recently on an experiment with Google.

21:04:01 [PhilD] Let me have his email or phone if you have it. - yo have my email?

21:04:24 [condon] Yeah. I'll send all his contact info. I thought you'd make a good deputy in the leadership circle to work with him.

21:04:52 [timba2112] TimC....same here...Hull's contact info....

21:05:02 [condon] Now. Let's talk about Kathryn.

21:05:14 [condon] Who *are* you, timba2112?

21:05:18 [condon] Have we met?

21:05:20 [katdillon] Thanks for coming, everyone!

21:05:33 [katdillon] tim bauman...porc fest

21:05:55 [condon] Oh! Hey Tim! How's it going man?

21:06:09 [russellk] too many tims

21:06:15 [katdillon] First off, let me know if you have specific questions or issues you want to discuss

21:06:27 [timba2112] Good TimC

21:06:37 [katdillon] (a tale of two tims)

21:06:50 [russellk] why is there only one chick and a bunch of guys?

21:07:01 [condon] Well..l.yes...I'm interested in the ultimate meaning of life....

21:07:07 [katdillon] I'm not complaining!

21:07:11 [danhynes] guys like liberty more

21:07:13 [condon] Because she's a very *special* chick.

21:07:17 [timba2112] Because we're not recruiting enough women!

21:07:20 [katdillon] I mean to do with recruiting, timc

21:07:34 [katdillon] OK, one topic, how to recruit more women

21:07:44 [katdillon] awww

21:07:47 [timba2112] YES!!

21:07:48 [condon] Well...it's pretty obvious we're not paying enough attention to it...including me.

21:08:17 [katdillon] You're local group leader in FL, timc?

21:08:23 [danhynes] what about advertising in places where women typically pay more attention to

21:08:32 [condon] You know...I'm not quite sure...I *think* I am....

21:09:08 [katdillon] OK. How about freedom issues that are of interest to women?

21:09:37 [timba2112] Tough one Kat....the topic of gun rights as a women's protection issue came up in a prior chat.

21:09:41 [danhynes] what would you think is a good one besides abortion which is rather split

21:09:44 [condon] Forget about freedom issues...there's something about the Free State that should bring them stampeding in our directon.

21:09:57 [timba2112] US!

21:10:02 [katdillon] schools, homeschool, forced psychological exams of all schoolchildren

21:10:05 [katdillon] those come to mind

21:10:22 [timba2112] i.d. children's issues

21:10:23 [russellk] the women in our SoCal group care about homeschooling

21:10:29 [katdillon] forced immunizations

21:10:31 [condon] Yep, Tim, you got it. Not "us" as in you and me...but "us" as in the guys who make up the predominant numbers in the FSP.

21:10:33 [danhynes] maybe you coulkd also look to something about NH that is particulary attractive to female, im not sure what that would be though

21:10:34 [timba2112] oops, I mean i.e.

21:10:39 [katdillon] yes on id, too

21:10:43 [russellk] draft issues

21:10:55 [katdillon] good idea, dan

21:11:08 [condon] Look everyone: The libertarian movement is primarly male, right?

21:11:12 [katdillon] it isn't that hard...Keene was voted the best place in the US to raise a family

21:11:21 [condon] And probably by 75% or more. True?

21:11:25 [katdillon] the scenery is beautiful!!

21:11:34 [timba2112] children, anti-draft, what else?

21:11:36 [russellk] cute little new england houses

21:11:39 [danhynes] theres a good reason and selling point

21:11:47 [katdillon] yes!

21:11:51 [danhynes] i would think men are more anti-draft cuz it doesnt directly affect women

21:12:17 [russellk] woman's sons maybe?

21:12:21 [katdillon] I think the idea of going out and recruiting women would be appealing to a lot of porcs..get them more active

21:12:30 [condon] And libertarian guys are extraordinarily...steadfast. They *believe* in a set of ethical principles. Things that females would be attracted to. Right?

21:12:41 [katdillon] women hate the draft! they don't want to lose their children

21:12:44 [timba2112] You got it RusselK

21:12:52 [russellk] choice over all issues with their children

21:12:56 [danhynes] i guess everyone hates the draft

21:13:05 [condon] Sheesh. What a great place, the Free State, for women to hunt for ethical, steadfast, honest, hard-working, intelligent males. Porcupines!

21:13:09 [katdillon] I think women should be attracted to the idea of pro gun men who can protect them

21:13:27 [condon] Yep. That too.

21:13:46 [katdillon] not that women can't shoot

21:13:48 [russellk] I think Lorrey was talking about a State Guard

21:13:48 [condon] Okay. Let's do a little experiment, right here and now....

21:13:57 [russellk] ok

21:14:02 [timba2112] ok

21:14:11 [katdillon] Yes

21:14:12 [condon] Kathryn, you're a single female, right? A single mother, correct?

21:14:14 [danhynes] what about stepping back a bit from pro guns, like pepper spray and stun guns, i dont know if NH allows them, but i know a lot of states do not, things women use more than men

21:14:39 [condon] Are you open to bonding with a libertarian male who has pledged his troth to individual freedom and liberty in the Free State?

21:14:54 [katdillon] Me?

21:15:09 [condon] If you're name is Kathryn...yes.

21:15:28 [katdillon] Well yes, I had decided I had to "bond" with a freestater

21:15:30 jeanius enters this room

21:15:33 [katdillon] :P

21:15:43 [katdillon] Hi jean! yay, another woman!

21:15:58 [timba2112] lol

21:16:03 [condon] Okay...all you need to do is tell us...who do you feel is the *most* attractive---because they're the *most* committed to liberty in our lifetime....

21:16:19 [katdillon] lol

21:16:23 [jeanius] testosterone overload? I may get dumped. Still using one off Safari

21:16:28 [condon] Me? Phil Denisch? Russell Kanning? Steve Villee? Tim Bauman? Or Dan Hynes. You have 30 seconds to choose.

21:16:46 [katdillon] No fair!

21:16:56 [timba2112] Oh, TimC, you're brutal

21:16:58 [danhynes] take everyone

21:17:01 [condon] Sorry! Sociobiology is not fair!

21:17:09 [jeanius] Is this for who will be poster boy?

21:17:19 [condon] Not brutal! She gets to choose amongst a bunch of wonderful guys!

21:17:29 [timba2112] Sounds like it.

21:17:34 [russellk] is this the new Free Town idea?

21:17:39 [condon] No, it's a test, to see who Kathryn finds the most...compelling male.

21:17:43 [katdillon] No way, you're all too wonderful

21:18:17 [timba2112] For that, TimC, you need to have her compare "us" against the non-liberty lovers and find what elements we should focus on.

21:18:18 [condon] (cluck...cluck...cluck...she's chicken....)

21:18:21 [russellk] maybe jeanius has something to ask or add to change the subject

21:18:21 [katdillon] OK, how about a new topic? What other kinds of recruiting can individuals do w/o a group

21:18:22 [danhynes] if i wanted to make a free town project, would that be in direct conflict with FSP

21:18:47 [condon] Not at all Dan. Of course, I was involved in the first one...and screwed it all up....

21:18:53 [katdillon] I don't think so, just don't go in trying to take over the town

21:18:57 [timba2112] Good one Kat.....I'm having trouble getting other involved and need to do more one-on-one

21:19:13 [danhynes] i actually had an idea i wanted to create a new town

21:19:20 [danhynes] ive been doing research on how to do that

21:19:33 [danhynes] condon, id like to talk to you at some point about how you failed

21:19:46 [katdillon] Dan, all the land in NH is incorporated into towns

21:19:47 [timba2112] DanH....is that recruiting related?

21:19:50 [condon] Boy...that's a story....

21:20:01 [russellk] don't worry he will try again

21:20:03 [condon] Contact me off list.

21:20:27 [timba2112] Ok, back to you Kat.

21:20:31 [danhynes] only a little, so ill defer to keep with tonights topic

21:20:41 [katdillon] How about we look at what's been most successful lately with recruiting

21:20:43 [russellk] hey kat did you have something you wanted to say?

21:20:59 [timba2112] Go for it Kat

21:21:03 PatK enters this room

21:21:04 [katdillon] One member placed an ad in This is True...an online newsletter

21:21:10 [katdillon] hi Pat

21:21:23 [PatK] Hi Kat and all

21:21:27 [russellk] what is the link to that page of info again?

21:21:46 [katdillon] the stats on sign up?

21:22:10 [russellk] http://www.margomaps.com/fsp/recruitment/ yeah

21:22:35 [katdillon] thanks Russell

21:22:40 [russellk] here is one of them

21:23:04 [russellk] the this is true ad was great so far

21:23:13 [katdillon] But that requires you have money to place an ad

21:23:21 [condon] Oops.

21:23:38 [katdillon] Interesting that the newsletter wasn't explicitly liberty oriented

21:23:44 [danhynes] how about some fundraisers to gain support and money at the same time

21:23:58 [katdillon] That would be great

21:24:02 [condon] No, but it's kind of...oddball...off-center...our kind of people.

21:24:06 [katdillon] what would you do as a fundraiser?

21:24:14 [timba2112] I'm finding we have more people locally willing to give $ than time.

21:24:14 [danhynes] i was thinking about how a college libertarian party had an anti-affirmative action bakesale and charged different prices upon the persons race

21:24:17 [katdillon] true, timc

21:24:19 [russellk] i get the newsletter

21:24:20 [condon] <-------------Anti-fundraisers.

21:24:26 [danhynes] hrm.. id have to think abotu that

21:25:06 [katdillon] Really TimB? That's good to know. What are you then able to do with the funds you raise?

21:25:12 [russellk] timba they could just give the money to the FSP

21:25:23 [katdillon] oh yes, I read about that Dan

21:25:45 [katdillon] I think it'd be better to use it directly on local recruiting

21:25:45 [timba2112] KatD .....that's the problem... (problem?).....

21:25:48 [danhynes] i was thinking more about using a specific topic just to draw the people to the table, then give them the FSP info

21:25:57 [katdillon] OK

21:26:32 [katdillon] you could do your own shadow ad...find some hot topic where gov't has gone overboard

21:26:47 [katdillon] and place a local ad about it, telling how the FSP is the solution

21:26:50 [russellk] anything in mind dan?

21:26:55 [danhynes] that shouldnt be hard to find

21:27:11 [condon] Shadow ads are wicked effective. But no one seems to be doing them on a regular basis.

21:27:54 [katdillon] Would you need help making the actual ads, TimB?

21:27:55 [condon] Maybe Bob Hull, as the new advertising czar, could put something together.

21:28:17 [katdillon] Yes, I'm sure he would help

21:28:31 [katdillon] The 'This is True' ad was just plain old text

21:28:44 [katdillon] doesn't have to be fancy to be effective

21:28:50 [timba2112] I'll suggest the Shadow ad to the contibutor(s)....Yes we'd love help and yes I want to talk to Bob Hull

21:28:55 [condon] Yeah, but it was effective. We had a mini-surge in membership.

21:29:04 [katdillon] Great!

21:29:31 [timba2112] the "this is true" link doesn't take me anywhere

21:29:34 [katdillon] So other things you could do with the funds you raise?

21:29:36 [russellk] and if Bob is too busy don't let that stop you

21:29:43 [russellk] someone else can help

21:29:50 [katdillon] Seemed like one link was broken

21:29:53 [condon] Bob won't be too busy. He's totally dedicated to the success of the FSP.

21:30:03 [russellk]

21:30:03 [katdillon] Bob's real responsive

21:30:28 [condon] Hmmmm.

21:30:38 [timba2112] TimC....is the typing fast enough for you now?

21:30:39 [katdillon] You can hand out flyers at various events...the printing costs

21:30:46 [katdillon] haha TimB

21:31:07 [timba2112] Will Albenizi's been real effective with local events and flyer hand outs.

21:31:10 [condon] It's certainly picking up, Tim. Where are you living now? Last I heard your car was broken down in *Kansas* or somewhere!

21:31:25 [timba2112] That approach seems to be the most used by many local groups.....I have to get my butt in gear.

21:31:57 [katdillon] It's nice to have a lot of people for events like that, but it really only takes a few, or even one

21:32:00 [timba2112] TimC...you've got the wrong Tim.....I'm in Chicago area

21:32:08 [russellk] it seems the more people see us in various media it makes them think

21:32:16 [katdillon] too many tims

21:32:31 [danhynes] does getting a group to volunteer to do something ever get the attention of local tv media, if so that can be a good plug for FSP

21:32:32 [condon] Yeah but were't you on the road at some point last year? And your car broke down? Or was that some other Tim?

21:33:11 [timba2112] TimC.....that was another....you and I chatted quite a bit at the Speaker's Training session at Porc FEst

21:33:12 [russellk] not with our group danh

21:33:28 [timba2112] But back to recruiting....

21:33:45 [russellk] we are being to nice to be arrested like timc

21:33:50 [condon] I can't keep everyone straight. Early Alzheimer's, you know....

21:33:52 [katdillon] How about publicity stunts?

21:34:02 [katdillon] something to grab the media's attention?

21:34:05 [russellk] but Will in San Diego was hoping

21:34:09 [condon] Such as?

21:34:13 [katdillon] (not that early!)

21:34:14 [danhynes] yes kat, thats what i was thinking

21:34:29 [russellk] I do like stunts

21:34:43 [katdillon] I don't have any bright ideas. How about you all?

21:35:05 [russellk] wouldn't it be great to have some crazy stunts with each "move"

21:35:14 [condon] Amanda Phillips is great on that kind of stuff. Like the Killington "air lift."

21:35:19 [danhynes] well its important to pick something that gets peoples attention and at the same time doesnt make FSP lose credibility

21:35:27 [condon] Like what, Russell?

21:35:30 [russellk] like making a fuss before you leave

21:35:40 [timba2112] It seems that the flyers at libert-oriented events, attention grabbing shadow ads and endorsements/articles get the most results

21:35:49 [russellk] like you are settingout on the oregon trail or something

21:35:51 [katdillon] Evan Nappen was talking about making a collection of steel chains, getting in the guiness book of world records, breaking some chains

21:35:53 [condon] Like telling everyone to kiss your ass, you're not putting up with it anymore?

21:36:07 [russellk]

21:36:08 [danhynes] put a sign with your house for sale saying why your moving

21:36:19 [katdillon] hah, TimC

21:36:26 [condon] That's not bad, Dan!

21:36:30 [katdillon] that's good, Dan!

21:36:32 [timba2112] Badnarik got arrested and there was not a peep in the Natl news, despite his being on the ballot in more states than Nader.

21:36:38 [russellk] some people have gotten newspaper articles from their hometowns already

21:36:49 [russellk] really timb?

21:36:52 [svillee] wasn't somebody going to hike the Appalachian Trail up to NH?

21:36:53 [russellk] wow

21:37:05 [katdillon] When I left, we sent out a press release about the first mover from the Dallas area. It didn't get any press though

21:37:06 [condon] Heck, *I* got more publicity with my arrest at the NRA convention in Orlando than Badnarik did. More's the pity.

21:37:11 [katdillon] yes steve

21:37:14 [russellk] i need to find out who that was doing the hiking

21:37:15 [katdillon] next year I think

21:37:22 [danhynes] yeah i knew badnarik was arrested but i think i only found out cuz i was at his webpage

21:37:29 [condon] That was Moose Boy. Forget his name. Good kid.

21:37:31 [katdillon] Let's get TimC arrested again!

21:37:40 [timba2112] Russel K.....so Badnarik's campaign newsletters said past few days....you're right TimC.....

21:37:43 [russellk] he was going to start hiking next fall I think

21:37:48 [katdillon] No not moose boy, someone else

21:38:06 [russellk] a real hiker with planning

21:38:18 [condon] Yeah, it was Moose Boy who was doing the hiking. Then he got his aunt's car and drove up...and hit a Moose.

21:38:19 [russellk] but Randall moose boy got some real attention

21:38:27 [russellk] without any planning

21:38:30 [timba2112] Is there anyway to capitalize on the post-election depression?

21:38:38 [katdillon] Yes, he got a lot of press

21:38:47 [russellk] there is another real hiker who is going to do it

21:38:48 [condon] Yeah, he did, Russell. Little planning at all. But so what, you know?

21:38:49 [katdillon] That's a good idea, timb

21:39:07 [timba2112] Some type of ad that say's...."another election shot to hell......don't you think it's time for something different?

21:39:14 [katdillon] Everyone will be depressed about the election results, even if their candidate wins

21:39:20 [russellk] it just shows you how effective it was even with no planning

21:39:21 [russellk]

21:39:31 [timba2112] Exactly Kat

21:39:38 [condon] I think any ad of that sort should emphasize how beautiful and wonderful NH is.

21:39:49 [katdillon] So how can we grab the depressed voters?

21:39:55 [timba2112] But seriously.....the equivalent of a Shadow Ad for the election

21:40:18 [PatK] hey listen Isupport the FSP but Iam not going to plan to hit a Moose

21:40:31 [katdillon] Elections over...we still have high taxes and war

21:40:42 [timba2112] lol Patk

21:40:43 [danhynes] maybe with the election show how their vote was less important cuz of the electoral college and somehow relate it to NH and the people being more involved in desicion making

21:40:56 [danhynes] such as the representatives being more responsive to the needs of the people

21:40:57 [russellk] we could plan one big shadow ad and raise money specifically on the website for it

21:40:58 [timba2112] Keep going Kat.....you got it

21:41:00 [katdillon] Come on Pat...aren't you willing to do a little thing like that for freedom??

21:41:18 [katdillon] too intellectual, Dan?

21:41:41 [katdillon] In 4 years, we'll still have high taxes and war

21:41:48 [russellk] simpler would be better

21:41:50 [danhynes] haha yes i forget its important to convince the avg american, not the smart libertarians

21:41:50 [katdillon] Isn't it time to try something different?

21:42:21 [condon] Kat, that sounds more like an LP ad. We want to tell people why they should join the FSP and move to New Hampshire.

21:42:34 [timba2112] I'm copying and pasting the last few lines....unless this is being archived.

21:42:37 [katdillon] something that communicates the hopelessness of national politics and how working on a small scale will be different

21:42:49 [russellk] yea very NH oriented

21:42:50 [katdillon] it'll be archived

21:42:55 [timba2112] Kat.....go! go!

21:43:01 [danhynes] i like the fact that NH legislatures make $100 a year, and other states they make 50k

21:43:16 [PatK] How about now that you have heard about red state blue state, Let us tell you about the FREE STATE.

21:43:25 [timba2112] DanH.....that works into the "something different" theme

21:43:39 [russellk] ooo i like it patk

21:43:41 [condon] Yes. As Jason pointed out, it prevents the creation of a "professional political class."

21:43:45 [timba2112] Patk brainstorms!

21:43:47 [katdillon] Kerry/Bush won the election. The American people lost

21:44:06 [russellk]

21:44:31 [katdillon] But the American people can win in NH

21:45:26 [timba2112] So, we've got the last dozen(s) of lines here for a shadow ad that would actually apply in many local areas and could be supported by funding from local groups

21:45:26 [katdillon] So you say it's easy for you to raise funds for these ads?

21:45:46 [danhynes] would it be possible to run like a 15 second national tv ad on a station like foxnews right after the elections are over, when all the advertising spots are freed up

21:46:00 [timba2112] KatD.....I could get a couple grand$ quiuckly

21:46:13 [katdillon] wow

21:46:17 [danhynes] does anyone have an approximate idea of how much that would cost

21:46:26 [katdillon] How do you do it:?

21:46:30 [russellk] no idea

21:46:51 [timba2112] DanH...unfortunately 10's of thousands probably

21:46:59 [katdillon] Newspaper ads are run about $1000, TV ads about $20,000 I think

21:47:14 [katdillon] that's what the cheapest CNN ad was

21:47:30 Posterity enters this room

21:47:43 [timba2112] So we'd likely have to stick with a print shadow ad format in economy-priced newpapers/mags

21:47:48 [danhynes] ah ok, i was hoping that right after an election when all the election ads are over the price would have went down

21:47:51 [katdillon] TimB you're just asking people for money? or doing something special to raise funds?

21:47:55 [russellk] still sounds good

21:47:56 [katdillon] Hi Posterity

21:48:11 [Posterity] Hi Kat. sorry I'm late.

21:48:21 [katdillon] unless you can get free air time...interviewed by the news

21:48:25 [timba2112] KatD....the few of us on our local conference calls are offering more cash than time

21:48:37 [katdillon] no problem, glad you could make it

21:49:11 [timba2112] Chicogo/Milwaukee fyi

21:49:50 [katdillon] other types of recruiting you all want to discuss?

21:50:15 [Posterity] Has anyone had an LTE that mentioned the FSP actually be printed?

21:50:30 [katdillon] Yes, I have

21:50:43 [timba2112] Where?

21:50:47 [PatK] gee did the feds get condon?

21:50:57 [katdillon] Texas

21:51:16 [timba2112] Any response?

21:51:29 [danhynes] what does LTE stand for

21:51:32 [katdillon] I did it like a mini shadow ad, talking about a local issue

21:51:38 [Posterity] Is that LTE on the FSP website? I'd like to see an example.

21:51:45 [timba2112] Letter to editor?

21:51:53 [Posterity] LTE = Letter to editor

21:51:54 [danhynes] oh ok

21:52:02 [katdillon] I'm not sure. A few people said they heard about the FSP from the Dallas Morning News, but there was also a news article about us in there

21:52:22 [katdillon] Yes, in the articles, I think, or in the media

21:52:26 [russellk] there are lots of lte on the website

21:52:32 [timba2112] The "shadow" concept....regardless of the venue.....seems to be very effective

21:52:37 [katdillon] it was about the smoking ban in dallas

21:53:04 [timba2112] There's so much shadow fodder here in IL.....its amazing

21:53:09 [danhynes] do any FSP members work in the media, have them give us free plugs

21:53:11 [Posterity] ok. That's was I thinking about doing (i.e. relating it to a local story)

21:53:13 [russellk] http://www.freestateproject.org/news/media_archive/

21:53:35 [katdillon] Dada Orwell does, but he is actually more constrained since he does work in the media

21:53:42 [katdillon] thank you russell

21:53:50 [katdillon] Great, posterity

21:54:10 [katdillon] there's also a page on how to get your LTE published...what things you should do

21:54:11 [russellk] Dada had great LTE's

21:54:31 [timba2112] The chat on media relations did stress the "making friends" with a media person who could get out your info

21:54:40 [katdillon] Yeah. all NH based though...no recruiting

21:54:59 [katdillon] Yes, that should help

21:55:21 [katdillon] The chat transcript is up on freestateproject.org/training

21:55:34 [katdillon] for the previous chats

21:55:45 [Posterity] Yeah, I'd think general liberty-oriented LTE's would be more apt to be printed rather than ones that are obviously trying to promote an organization like the FSP.

21:56:02 [katdillon] What kind of local stories would make good shadow ads/LTEs?

21:56:34 [katdillon] Yes, posterity. I had one published, but they removed all references to the FSP. Frustrating

21:56:58 [danhynes] i have another idea, i believe i learned about the FSP from a website, i think the LPNH, is it possible to enter into some reciprocal relationships where a link is placed on the FSP website in exchange for a link on a supporters website

21:57:02 [timba2112] Kat re:stories.....seat belt laws, unfunded state mandates

21:57:03 [Posterity] That's what I'm concerned about.

21:57:32 [katdillon] But they do publish those where the FSP is really a solution to the problem

21:57:39 [katdillon] good ones, tim

21:57:39 [timba2112] DanH...I'm of the impression the HQ folks have done a lot of that for the past couple years

21:57:52 [russellk] I would say so too

21:57:53 [katdillon] Dan, that is good.

21:58:08 [Posterity] I'm thinking ahead to Nov. election. Here in AZ we have some ballot propositions that, if they pass, could be a good case for an LTE.

21:58:18 [timba2112] KatD.....i barely caught that....the removing of the FSP stuff.....that sucks

21:58:20 [russellk] local shadow ads should also appeal to your local donors

21:58:23 [katdillon] You can always contact liberty friendly sites and ask them if they want to do a link exchange...we link to them, they link to us

21:58:53 [timba2112] Nice Posterity

21:58:53 [PhilD] The freestateproject Yahoo! group page has a database on the web exchange project

21:58:54 [danhynes] ok kat, i will try an see what i come up with, i was just wondering if that was an option

21:59:04 [danhynes] thanks phil

21:59:11 [katdillon] Yep

21:59:22 [timba2112] Phil...."exchange project" huh?

21:59:32 [katdillon] there's a section on our webpage...I don't recall where

21:59:53 [timba2112] Oh....I got it Phil...nevermind

22:00:55 [katdillon] Other ideas you wanted to discuss?

22:01:56 [Posterity] Shadow ads have been effective, right?

22:01:59 [timba2112] Kat.....how about a quick summary?

22:03:05 [katdillon] I haven't seen a lot of numbers indicating that shadow ads were hugely effective. But it is really hard to tell. Many people don't say where they first heard about the FSP

22:03:54 [katdillon] Sure. We started out discussing ways to recruit more women into the FSP by focusing on "women's issues" like education, draft, health

22:03:56 [russellk] what where the latest reasons people joined again kat?

22:03:59 [Posterity] ok, thanks kat.

22:04:36 [katdillon] The forum thread in Publicity results?

22:04:50 [russellk] yea that sort of thing

22:05:23 [russellk] This is True ad...

22:05:28 [katdillon] We discussed fundraising locally, and how to place ads in the paper

22:05:54 [katdillon] Always people hear about the FSP from friends and family

22:06:34 [katdillon] Contact our new advertising guru, Bob Hull for help placing any ads

22:06:52 [russellk] do you guys think that ads reinforce for people that we are "for real" after hearing about us from friends and family?

22:07:25 [katdillon] And we discussed what sort of shadow ads might be effective

22:07:31 [timba2112] Good question russk....I'm not sure

22:07:41 [Posterity] russellk...yes, I think ads could lend a certain "for real" factor.

22:07:54 [russellk] I think it helps to hit people from many sides

22:08:08 [Posterity] Agreed.

22:08:11 [russellk] anyone can set up a booth and hand out flyers

22:08:32 [russellk] I think it helped in say ... Killington... to use ads

22:08:43 [Posterity] Reason: placing an ad takes money and effort.

22:08:43 [katdillon] Yes, Russell. Brian Sullivan can get you materials for booths, too

22:08:46 [danhynes] what about providing tesimony of people who moved, that can show we are serious about it

22:09:18 [katdillon] Russell's working on getting stories from people who've moved

22:09:19 [Posterity] danhynes, that's a good idea.

22:09:29 [russellk] we are working on that for the website a page of "moving" stories

22:09:30 [katdillon] but maybe you mean a different kind of testimony?

22:09:30 [timba2112] DanH.....in ads?

22:10:20 [russellk] that would be hugely effective ... an ad with a personal story of a move

22:10:26 [katdillon] Jason just wrote a letter to Mass Libertarians that included a testimony from one of our early movers

22:10:32 [danhynes] i was thinking in ads, but im not sure how, best i could come up with is like a commerical of someone stating that they moves and why

22:10:40 [russellk] oh great

22:10:32 [danhynes] i was thinking in ads, but im not sure how, best i could come up with is like a commerical of someone stating that they moves and why

22:10:40 [russellk] oh great

22:10:47 [Posterity] Or even just short quotes. I think that could be effective too.

22:11:18 [danhynes] yes posterity that sounds good

22:11:18 [timba2112] Here's a thought ....the ad contains a very short teaser on someone's story with a link to the FSP site

22:11:19 [katdillon] “Our move to New Hampshire is the best thing that has ever happened to us. By moving here, my wife's income more than doubled, our taxes decreased significantly, and other costs of living were unchanged. This gave me the opportunity to start a business, something I've always wanted to do. Everyo

22:11:36 [katdillon] Everyone who lives here admits it - the business environment in New Hampshire is very strong.”

22:11:56 [katdillon] -Mike Fisher in Newmarket, New Hampshire

22:12:04 [Posterity] Nice.

22:12:07 [russellk] that is a great message

22:12:07 [katdillon] That was the testimony

22:12:12 [katdillon] yes

22:13:01 [katdillon] that might work Tim...better to have something right in the ad, though? since they are less likely to look up a link than read the ad

22:13:31 [timba2112] Problem Kat is that ad's have to be short and to the point to have an impact.

22:13:32 [russellk] good idea ... at least some of the testimony in the ad

22:13:45 [katdillon] Yes

22:13:45 [russellk] even just one line

22:14:04 [katdillon] and maybe a link to longer endorsements

22:14:04 [timba2112] Does anyone, for example, really read the 2 page fundraising junk mail letters

22:14:08 [russellk] so have we come up with an idea for timb and his local group

22:14:26 [katdillon] I would, it it's from some liberty related cause

22:14:28 [Posterity] I think both would be most effective. Some short explanation of the FSP's purpose and a personal quote.

22:14:32 [russellk] never timba

22:14:35 [timba2112] Yes Russ....I've got a couple ideas that I'll talk to Hull about.

22:14:42 [katdillon] well, I'd skim it

22:14:46 [danhynes] timba you gave me an idea, what about a mass email campaign

22:14:52 [russellk] great

22:15:00 [timba2112] I've dropped a few emails to the donor while we've been chatting

22:15:03 [danhynes] using specific opt-in places

22:15:13 [katdillon] that's what we're doing in Mass with that letter

22:15:27 [katdillon] it takes money for the printing and postage

22:15:46 [russellk] who did you want to send it to danh?

22:16:08 [katdillon] but if you could get the libertarian voter list from your own area, it might be worth sending out a letter

22:16:39 [timba2112] The post-election letter....based on Jasons?.....might be perfect

22:16:49 [katdillon] oh yes!

22:16:54 [danhynes] hrm, maybe if friendly organizations like the LP or other liberty organizations would either send out an email on our behalf to its members or something

22:17:19 [katdillon] I'll make sure it's OK with Jason and then post it on freestateproject.org/training

22:17:27 [katdillon] the Mass letter, that is

22:17:35 [timba2112] I don't know that asking the LP to wallow in their own lack of election success would work

22:17:44 [timba2112] We'd send it ourselves

22:17:48 [katdillon] you can buy mailing lists from organizations

22:17:52 [russellk]

22:18:06 [danhynes] does anyone know if its freedom of information to get a list of who is signed up to what party

22:18:07 [timba2112] Yep....pay them to ease their pain

22:18:10 [timba2112] lol

22:18:34 [timba2112] testing :-)

22:18:36 [katdillon] I think you can get the voter registration lists somehow

22:18:53 [katdillon] Joey Dauben in Texas did it

22:18:53 [danhynes] hrm, i like that idea, i will look into it

22:18:55 [svillee] Generally, I would not expect the LP outside of NH to be helpful to the FSP.

22:19:10 [katdillon] I can get you his email address if you want to talk to him about it

22:19:12 [russellk] i agree steve

22:19:21 [danhynes] yeah i was wondering if the party just gave it to him though cuz it helps their cause, yes thanks

22:19:25 [katdillon] they are in some areas, not all

22:19:41 [katdillon] I don't think he got the list through the party

22:19:48 [timba2112] Sville....they've been friendly, always looking for speakers...and some positive....but there's always a bit of awkwardness

22:20:59 [russellk] has anyone tried mass emailings for the FSP?

22:21:04 [danhynes] are there other parties besides the LP that is typically friendly toward FSP

22:21:13 [russellk] in general I am not big on it

22:21:30 [timba2112] DanH...that's what Jasons about to find out about....right?

22:21:55 [katdillon] Not mass emailings, but I've targeted pro liberty individuals that I've located on the net, and emailed them

22:22:07 [PhilD] KeithM did a mailing prior to the FSPvote in a limited area - hard to say how much good it did, some though

22:22:16 [Posterity] LP seems to be the only small-government party these days. And I checked out a long list of them earlier this year.

22:22:24 [timba2112] oops....sorry....I keep missing the "e"

22:22:27 [danhynes] i wonder if mass emails would be good if it was a targeted opt-in audience, so that the FSP doesnt lose credibility

22:22:28 [katdillon] Republican Liberty Alliance

22:22:42 [katdillon] wake TimC up, he can tell you about it

22:22:54 [danhynes] if so i think that could be good as the cost of the email list is usually cheap, and i wouldnt mind sending all the emails if someone wanted

22:22:56 [russellk] they could be helpful the RLA

22:23:15 [katdillon] The constitution party is small gov't

22:23:20 [katdillon] for the most part

22:23:37 [Posterity] Yeah, "for the most part" LOL

22:23:37 [danhynes] yes i was just gonna ask about them

22:23:41 [katdillon] wait, it's republican liberty caucus

22:23:59 [danhynes] also i would say people registered as conservatives would be good, rather than registered republican

22:24:03 [russellk] NHLA RLC

22:24:31 [russellk] have any of the big emailings been effective?

22:24:49 [katdillon] I don't know if there have been any big emailings

22:25:16 [Posterity] Yeah, the RLC is small-government. If it's possible to get a list of their members, that would be good.

22:25:16 [katdillon] Phil, you know of one?

22:25:18 [russellk] the big pre Free State mailing to MA/CT Libertairians was great

22:25:24 [russellk] but that was snail mail

22:25:30 [katdillon] Ron Paul is RLC

22:25:41 [Posterity] Yep

22:25:43 [danhynes] russell i like the idea if youd some help with a mass emailing id be happy to help

22:26:06 [PhilD] I can't think of a mass emailing ~

22:26:09 [Posterity] But RLC membership is not public info, like registered Republicans would be.

22:26:09 [katdillon] how would you get the email address list?

22:26:47 [danhynes] youd have to buy it from opt in subscribers, but i believe it is rather cheap

22:26:55 [danhynes] like maybe $100 for thousands of names

22:27:00 [PhilD] For non-targeted list one could be purchased

22:27:05 [timba2112] DanH and Russk.....are you on the loc. group leaders list or can you post any finding/progress on email efforts someplace?

22:27:19 [katdillon] that would be great! not too expensive either

22:27:19 [russellk] danh I am not sure I am ready to do a big emailing

22:27:33 [timba2112] Sorry folks.....you've lost me on the term "opt in"

22:27:42 [danhynes] i can do it if i have permission of the group

22:27:47 [katdillon] You can always ask on the forum for people to donate to specific causes like that

22:27:51 [katdillon] me too

22:28:06 [danhynes] "opt in" is when you sign up to something, like yahoo mail or something and you say you will allow the company to send you emails

22:28:08 [russellk] that sounds better danh

22:28:20 [katdillon] opt in so it isn't entirely spam?

22:28:21 [danhynes] that way it is not spam mail, and the people generally dont hate it as much

22:28:48 [danhynes] yes, opt in is when the people agree to recieve it basically

22:28:51 [russellk] hopefully they won't hate it at all

22:29:13 [timba2112] So you're thinking of buying/finding several appropriate opt-in lists

22:29:28 [danhynes] i meant with the idea of getting unsolicited mail, if you know you asked for the mail you will at least read it

22:29:34 [russellk] we could even hit groups that have already heard about us, but we could give them stories of people who have actually moved

22:29:51 [danhynes] timba, yes i can do that, i can program and have no problem sending all the emails after someone writes what should be in it

22:30:05 [russellk] more of the we are "for real" angle

22:30:36 [danhynes] i will start a topic on the fsp forums a little later tonight about this idea and see where it leads

22:30:39 [katdillon] Dan, I'd be happy to help write it

22:30:45 [katdillon] good idea

22:30:50 [russellk] I could help you do that danh

22:30:50 [timba2112] Thanks Dan

22:31:13 [russellk] nevermind i'll let kat do it she is better at it than me anyways

22:31:30 [katdillon] No no, Russell would be great

22:31:42 [danhynes] 2 minds are better than 1

22:32:07 [katdillon] OK, we'll work together

22:32:14 [russellk] no no you should do it kat I insist

22:32:47 [timba2112] I've got to sign-off folks. Thanks for a heck of an invigorating session!

22:33:02 [katdillon] Well guys, this is about the limit of my ability to stay awake.

22:33:13 [russellk] by timb

22:33:16 [katdillon] Feel free to carry on after I go!

22:33:23 [katdillon] Night tim, glad you came!

22:33:24 [russellk] timc is asleep on the keyboard

22:33:28 [Posterity] ok, thanks for putting this together, Kat.

22:33:41 [timba2112] Yes....thanks Kat

22:33:51 [danhynes] yes time for me to head home and start working on all these ideas, thanks for the good ideas

22:33:57 [russellk] so when can we start talking behind kat's back

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22:33:59 [katdillon] Could someone do a /save and send me the transcript, just to make sure I get it all?

22:34:10 [katdillon] :P

22:34:24 [russellk] how do we do that?

22:34:30 [danhynes] i can, but i might be missing a little of the conv

22:34:40 [danhynes] i just select it all and cut and paste

22:34:57 [katdillon] bookish_lass@yahoo.com is my email addy

22:35:02 [PhilD] So long -thanks Kat.

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22:35:10 [Posterity] I can't do it because I came in late.

22:35:21 [katdillon] night, and thank you all!

22:35:29 [Posterity] Signing off....thanks, everyone.

22:35:31 [russellk] I have the whole transcript so I will cut and paste it

22:35:39 [katdillon] thanks

22:35:46 [russellk] bye kat

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22:37:04 [russellk] hi john galt

22:37:15 [russellk] you just missed most of the fun

22:37:56 [russellk] so danh are you out of here?

22:40:11 [russellk] So danhynes are you going to lay out your plan on the forum board?

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22:45:17 [russellk] I will turn off the lights Thank you Kat for a great chat